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ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[00:36:04] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> Killbug hit again.
[00:36:31] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> beam.smp out of swap space.
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[00:50:47] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> EXTREME MEMORY USAGE
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[00:51:11] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> this is not working
[00:51:19] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> I apologise for the spam.
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[01:01:57] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> does anyone here use ejabberd on freebsd on a memory constrained system?
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[01:14:58] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> (less than 12GB of virtual memory, such as my 2GB RAM and 2.5GB swap)
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[06:00:38] <Holger> rozzin: If you hit overcommit limits malloc() would fail in the first place though.
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[06:02:12] <Holger> And BSD is generally similarly liberal. I think there's some sysctl to control overcommit behavior, not sure actual limits can be specified (besides resource limits).
[06:02:28] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Bjornsd.: you'll need Holger's help with `debug` mode I guess
Maybe even open a Github issue to document your setup, settings, logs, etc
[06:03:01] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsd.: Is `RES` usage high as well?
[06:04:22] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Holger: I am running a short zsh script to repeatedly write `top -b -U xmpp` and a timestamp to a text file in root's home directory. If ejabberd terminates, said script should record the terminal RES usage.
[06:05:12] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Presently, beam.smp is resident for just 60 megabytes, with the size being 1141 megabytes.
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[06:07:03] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Slightly funny, and completely unrelated, is that beam.smp's PID is the decimal number 19. I've wondered if my RNGesus is broken.
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[06:11:45] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> malloc is an oddly topical nickname.
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[06:12:36] <malloc> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[06:21:53] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsd.: If `RES` usage does go up, the following `ejabberdctl debug` calls would be interesting:
```
erlang:memory().
p1_prof:m().
```
[06:23:02] <Holger> Sorry about that foo, I don't think it's typical for ejabberd's memory issue to go out of hand. 2G should be perfectly fine for up to a few thousand online devices.
[06:23:16] <Holger> Sorry about that foo, I don't think it's typical for ejabberd's memory usage to go out of hand. 2G should be perfectly fine for up to a few thousand online devices.
[06:24:35] <Holger> If the system _is_ unhappy about Erlang `malloc()`ating too much we can look up the switches to reduce that a bit.
[06:24:56] <Licaon_Kter> Given that I've pushed 1500 users to a 1Gb RPi3+, meh
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[06:27:46] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Mmm.
[06:27:59] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> ... Can ej cluster across different operating systems?
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[06:46:35] <Holger> Yes.
[06:47:07] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Great! Shame wireguard won't work on either of them. >.<
[06:47:19] <Holger> Just word size must be the same (32 vs. 64 bit).
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[07:05:44] <Deeg05> > Great! Shame wireguard won't work on either of them. >.<
why use it?
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[07:06:28] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Deeg05: encrypted link
[07:06:57] <Deeg05> OpenVPN is unencrypted? IPSec is unencrypted?
[07:06:58] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> i have openvpn, i should just use that, or i have gre and an existing darknet tunnel, and again i shuld just use that
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[07:07:04] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> but idk
[07:07:11] <Deeg05> gre is insecure
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[07:08:19] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> gre over a secure tunnel is secure
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[07:12:00] <Holger> > encrypted link
Note you want all cluster nodes to be in the same physical subnet, though. Latency must be low, and brainsplit should be avoided, as recovery is not necessarily straightforward.
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[07:13:08] <Holger> (Only the Business Edition supports some sort of geo redundancy.)
[07:13:51] <Deeg05> "darknet" is a made-up word by mass media and essentially is a slur
[07:13:51] <Deeg05> it's slur because of its ignorance promotion
[07:13:57] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> > Holger wrote:
> Note you want all cluster nodes to be in the same physical subnet, though. Latency must be low, and brainsplit should be avoided, as recovery is not necessarily straightforward.
As they would be
[07:14:07] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> > Deeg05 wrote:
> "darknet" is a made-up word by mass media and essentially is a slur
> it's slur because of its ignorance promotion
you trolling
[07:14:20] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Holger: At worst, the nodes would be in the same city.
[07:16:30] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> and the darknet isn't anonymous
[07:16:34] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> so...
[07:16:41] <Deeg05> > gre over a secure tunnel is secure
if its over tor then sure
[07:16:52] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> basically, i know what i'm doing and i don't mind a bit of brainsplit
[07:16:55] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsd.: Well the main question is whether the TCP connection between nodes is rock-solid or not.
Either way there's always the trade-off between the chance of avoiding downtime by clustering and the risk of adding downtime due to the additional complexity.
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[07:35:31] <Deeg05> > and the darknet isn't anonymous
> so...
> basically, i know what i'm doing and i don't mind a bit of brainsplit
stop calling it darknet
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[07:35:58] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> erm, deeg?
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[07:52:20] <Licaon_Kter> Deeg05: notwhitenet? Oh wa- that's raceist
blanknet?
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[07:57:33] <Deeg05> tor or i2p
[07:57:50] <Deeg05> :-)
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[08:04:47] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> I updated my postgresql database with a block of ignores (privacy_list, privacy_list_data) that weren't funnelled through ejd. Will they apply instantly, or need i reboot ejd?
[08:05:13] <Holger> `ejabberdctl clear-cache` to make sure.
[08:05:24] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Wilco, Holger
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[08:14:34] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> resident for 86mb and dropping
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[08:15:41] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> restarting worked
[08:15:50] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Holger: does p1 pay you?
[08:16:04] <Licaon_Kter> Bitcoin afaik
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[08:16:22] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, 🙂
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[08:16:46] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsd., nope.
[08:17:02] <Holger> (Except for one or two small contracts in the past.)
[08:17:02] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> oh.
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[08:17:41] <Holger> I'm probably the only external contributor with push access.
[08:18:13] <Holger> prefiks, badlop and mf@marekfoss.org work for p1, for example.
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[08:22:12] <Licaon_Kter> So they get the bitcoins instead? Pfft
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[08:29:32] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> =)
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[08:31:11] <Holger> Yeah!
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[08:31:44] <Holger> I do own a few $$$ with ejabberd development though.  It's just others who pay 🙂
[08:32:01] <Holger> But main job is unrelated.
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[08:33:54] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Ah
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[09:33:36] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> forgive my stupidity: how might i defederate someone?
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[09:34:23] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Bjornsd.: user or server or what do you mean?
[09:34:48] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> server-level server block
[09:35:15] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> i'm sure it's just a tweak under access:
[09:36:18] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Bjornsd.:
```
s2s_access: s2s
acl:
  blocked:
    server:
      - "bridge.xmpp.matrix.org"
access_rules:
  s2s:
    - deny: blocked
    - allow
```
This?
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[09:37:15] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> Exactly that - but with other server:s.
I owe you a coffee Licaon_Kter
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[10:37:36] <Giovanni> Hi people, I'm back with more exciting questions 😃
Talking about file/multimedia transfer, I understand that there are two way to do this: mod_http_upload (via an http server that can be another server than ejabberd) and via proxy65 in which ejabberd act as a proxy between the sender and the receiver.
is it correct? There are any pros or cons or documentation that I can read before choosing to activate one or both? thank you
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[10:38:26] <Licaon_Kter> Giovanni: http is better suited for anything
The proxy needs both to be online as long as the transfer
[10:38:56] <Holger> Yeah.  HTTP is the newer solution.
[10:39:23] <Giovanni> ok, thank you both, so http is the answer
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[10:39:36] <Holger> Yes.  Conversations falls back to p2p/proxy only if the HTTP server rejects the file due to the size.
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[10:40:15] <Holger> Also to make sharing work with multi-device and in groups.
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[10:45:33] <Giovanni> wonderful
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[13:15:51] <rozzin> Holger:
> rozzin: If you hit overcommit limits malloc() would fail in the first place though.
At least on Linux I think it depends on your configuration—there are options for "unbounded overcommit", "bounded overcommit" (with configurable bounds; some people call this "no overcommit" because the default bound is well below 100%), and some heuristic limiter.... I forget how I had things configured when I had code failing to fork, I just remember that the process had allocated a lot more RAM than it was actually using and "everything was fine" until it tried to fork..., so I guess probably bounded overcommit.
Of course OOM-killer has its own configuration options....
[13:17:34] <Holger> rozzin: Yes yes I'll buy the topic can be more complicated 🙂
[13:19:25] <Holger> I'd be surprised if the ejabberd process was OOM-killed based on the virtual memory allocation.  But yes I can't rule out, and in that case we should look at how to reduce that proactive allocation.
[13:19:34] <Holger> I'd be surprised if the ejabberd process was OOM-killed based on the virtual memory allocation.  But yes I can't rule it out, and in that case we should look at how to reduce that proactive allocation.
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[13:21:12] <Holger> (The VM doesn't fork except during startup, FWIW.)
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[13:21:16] <rozzin> I *think* Linux even has a way of setting some "please don't kill me" setting on specific processes if the OOM-killer seems to be repeatedly killing the wrong process (which was what Ellenor's situation sounded like).
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[13:21:32] <Holger> (But can have many threads.)
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[13:21:59] <rozzin> Probably FreeBSD has similar options, I'd guess.
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[13:23:11] <Holger> > I *think* Linux even has a way of setting some "please don't kill me" setting on specific processes if the OOM-killer seems to be repeatedly killing the wrong process (which was what Ellenor's situation sounded like).
Yeah but I guess the first question is whether ejabberd *is* eating (and not just allocating) too much memory for some reason.
[13:24:13] <rozzin> Yeah.
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[13:55:09] <ilmaisin> hmm
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[13:56:32] <ilmaisin> now i am unable to join any rooms with gajim + ejabberd
[13:58:00] <ilmaisin> i have just the spinning ball
[13:58:06] <ilmaisin> just like matrix :/
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[13:58:25] <Holger> Check your server logs.
[13:58:30] <Holger> For the name of the remote server.
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[13:59:24] <ilmaisin> it shows no errors
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[14:00:33] <ilmaisin> now it shows no entries
[14:00:55] <ilmaisin> i really hate this stuff
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[14:01:21] <ilmaisin> maybe i should not be self-hosting this
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[14:03:11] <ilmaisin> Holger, it shows only this: 2021-07-15 17:01:18.670 [info] <0.9359.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed:150 Closing outbound s2s connection laiho.me -> muc.xmpp.org: Stream closed by peer: connection-timeout
[14:05:06] <Holger> If you retry, you see a new s2s_out [info] `Accepted outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication` message for that server?
[14:06:05] <ilmaisin> Holger, yes
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[14:06:46] <Licaon_Kter> ilmaisin: how much of the example YML have you modified?
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[14:07:07] <Holger> ilmaisin, `egrep 's2s_in.*muc.xmpp.org' ejabberd.log` finds nothing?
[14:07:56] <ilmaisin> Holger, yeah, it outputs nothing
[14:08:03] <Holger> ilmaisin, or `grep 104.248.10.4 ejabberd.log`?
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[14:08:21] <Holger> ilmaisin, does it work with other remote servers?  E.g. are you joined to this room using the same account?
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[14:09:28] <ilmaisin> Holger, that one did output quite a bit, it does not seem to accept our certificate. i am using that account here now
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[14:10:18] <Holger> ilmaisin, yes certificate would've been one guess.  Do you have `mod_s2s_dialback: {}`?  (But certificate issues should be fixed either way, of course.)
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[14:10:43] <ilmaisin> Holger, https://pastebin.com/LcKeunUB
[14:11:34] <ilmaisin> ah
[14:11:45] <ilmaisin> i have "too many levels of symbolic links" on my cert file
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[14:20:27] <ilmaisin> now i fixed the cert, restarted my server and bang, cannot join this room either
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[14:28:15] <ilmaisin_> to no avail
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[14:31:16] <Holger> Certificate looks fine to me.
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[14:31:27] <Holger> Does 104.248.10.4 still try to connect back to you?
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[14:32:29] <ilmaisin_> Holger, it does not seem
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[14:32:53] <Holger> Then you'd have to ask their admin.
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[14:33:27] <ilmaisin_> interestingly enough, i can join just fine with a different domain on the same server
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[14:33:48] <Holger> It's a Prosody, and Prosody sometimes gets stuck with hanging s2s connections.
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[14:34:02] <Holger> Yes that would happen in this case.
[14:34:30] <Holger> They either need to apply some telnet/whatever magic or restart their server to ditch the old, stuck connection to your server.
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[14:34:46] <ilmaisin_> :S
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