Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, August 11, 2021< ^ >
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Room Configuration
Room Occupants

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[00:15:19] deepest leaves the room
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[00:27:30] qy leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[00:29:36] qy leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[00:30:50] JonNJ leaves the room: Disconnected: Replaced by new connection
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[01:14:22] allbombson leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[01:15:19] qy leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[01:19:35] allbombson leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[09:56:13] <ij> > anton: That's hairy. You would want to forward the message (i.e. rewrite the `to`) somehow, and that might confuse the sending and/or receiving client in various ways. Except maybe for the most simple case of forwarding plain, unencrypted messages which aren't acknowledged/referenced in any way.
Holger, there’s also this https://seclists.org/oss-sec/2021/q3/87 with Matt joining the discussion on behalf of the XSF, fyi
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[10:29:43] <Holger> ij: Ah hadn't seen that yet, thanks.
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[10:30:20] <Holger> (Unrelated to my message you're quoting 🙂)
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[10:32:17] <ij> Yeah, I’m looking for mailserver about that STARTTLS thing, because I’ve just recommended to my users to use STARTTLS two days before that vulnerability was relased… and stumpled about that discussion about XMPP while searching for more information…
[10:32:32] <Holger> Still not quite convinced of Hanno's assumption that XMPP implementations are likely to be affected.  But yes someone™should have a look.
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[10:33:50] <Holger> ij: Hm, regardless of potential vulnerabilities I've always preferred TLS on connect as I see no downside (and it avoids one or more round trips).
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[10:35:28] <Holger> Back in the days it was a necessary workaround for offering multiple domains with different certificates on a single IP address. Today the TLS guys reinvented that wheel (SNI).
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[10:37:06] <Holger> And back in the days people tried to offer services on port numbers below 1024, which was another idea behind multiplexing TLS and unencrypted traffic on a single port.  Not relevant anymore (and never really was).
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[10:37:43] <Holger> > Back in the days it was a necessary workaround for offering multiple domains with different certificates on a single IP address.
STARTTLS, I mean.
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[10:40:11] <ij> … and today everything is (hopefully) secured by TLS anyway, so it would make sense to save that additional overhead of STARTTLS and just use TLS anyway
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[10:40:59] <ij> I see it more as an opportunity to remove cruft and make things easier than as a potential security issue for XMPP right now
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[11:39:15] <Holger> Yup.
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[11:42:05] <Holger> Since we have XEP-0368, which most(?) 'modern' clients implement, it's mostly about teaching admins to offer it, and to set up the SRV records so that it's preferred.  (For s2s, ejabberd might be the only software implementing it so far, though?  Not sure.)
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[11:43:01] <Holger> However, we can't really _drop_ STARTTLS support without breaking things (old implementations, and the case where SRV lookups fail).
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[11:46:06] <Martin> I just mentioned my colleague that he can also use STARTTLS over port 5222, else we have to ask stores to open a extra port outgoing :P
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[11:53:27] <Martin> He uses smack to let android devices connect to xmpp. Wanted to do it over websocket to have less issues with connection inside the stores who uses them. But that is not supported in current smack release, so for now he connects over port 5222. Hopefully we can upgrade that in the future when a new smack version releases :D
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[11:55:27] <Holger> Just TLS over port 443 is not an option?
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[11:58:54] <Holger> Ah, <https://igniterealtime.atlassian.net/browse/SMACK-877> ...
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[13:30:53] <Martin> Hmm websocket already listens on 443
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[13:33:29] <Licaon_Kter> In that note, playing with https://github.com/drwetter/testssl.sh
`Testing server's cipher preferences:  Has server cipher order?     no (NOT ok)`
Hmm
Also it stays forever at `TLSv1.2 (no server order, thus listed by strength)`
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[13:35:24] <Giovanni> Hi people,
I'm struggle to generate a valid JWT token for jwt auth in ejabberd. I can do it with no effort using jwt.io front page (I just had to tick the "secret base64 encoded" option.
But I can't understand how to do it correctly using php-jwt. It seems to me that all the option are correct but the token is slight different and ejabberd doesn't accept it.
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[13:35:51] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: For the former issue, you can add this to the list of `c2s_protocol_options`/`s2s_protocol_options`: `- "cipher_server_preference"`.
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[13:38:01] <Licaon_Kter> It's the default, right, but I removed more ssl/tls versions so it got removed, nice
[13:38:12] <Licaon_Kter> It's the default, right, but I removed more ssl/tls versions so it got overridded, nice
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[13:38:19] <Holger> Ah.
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[13:39:54] <Licaon_Kter> I guess...
[13:39:56] <Licaon_Kter> Wait
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[13:41:10] <Licaon_Kter> So, docs. say, "default is this: nossl3|cipher_server|no_compress"
But, if I define it, it will be REdefined, not ADDed to defaults, right?
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[14:08:20] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: reading docs. _"starttls is the bestest way for xmpp and tls is old"_
Umm?
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[14:08:45] <Holger> IT hypes come and go in waves.
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[14:10:36] <Holger> Originally, TLS-on-connect was done by offering it on port 5223 by convention.  (Or by the admin documenting a different port for users to configure manually.)
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[14:11:23] <Holger> Then STARTTLS was invented, for proper discovery, and for proper multi-domain support.
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[14:13:41] <Holger> Then, _many_ years later, XEP-0368 was written which brought proper discovery with TLS-on-connect, and SNI had been invented for multi-domain support.  So the old school solution (which middle-aged docs call "deprecated") is back (but nicer, now).
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[14:14:31] <Holger> Then, _many_ years later, XEP-0368 was written which offered proper discovery for TLS-on-connect, and SNI had been invented for multi-domain support.  So the old school solution (which middle-aged docs call "deprecated") is back (but nicer, now).
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[14:15:27] <Martin> We don’t need SNI (or vhosts) with ipv6, we can just use an other ip per domain :D
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[14:19:13] <Holger> > But, if I define it, it will be REdefined, not ADDed to defaults, right?
Right.
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[19:57:48] <anton> Holger: Thanks for the response (08-08-2021). Is there any protocol to announce username aliases, if rewriting messages server-side is impossible?
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[20:02:50] <anton> Or in case of ejabberd, can users only be registered based on a local part (without the domain name) and server accepts all messages (disabled vhosts)?
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[20:31:12] <anton> Does anyone here use IDN (punycode) on their domain-part of XMPP addresses? How can fallback to ASCII be implemented for that (localpart@ž.example = localpart@xn--jha.example allows messages to localpart@z.example)?
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[22:41:00] <mathias> How much of XMPP messaging is actually end-to-end encrypted? I mean pictures and files for example are just file uploads to the XMPP server and even accessible to the public with the right URL. What about regular text messages? Can the server simply dump them as clear text? Or can it only dump certain initial messages, e.g. to users on first contact, before end-to-end encryption was negotiated?
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[22:43:51] <anton> mathias: I'm not entirely sure how it works, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMEMO is sometimes used for mE2mEE.
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[22:46:04] <mathias> so there is basically no encrpytion in XMPP to shield from the server, unless you use plugins like OTR or OMEMO?
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[22:56:58] <bowlofeggs> I'm not sure I could classify those as plugins, though they are eXtensions (the X in XMPP ☺). Some clients have them built-in (like Conversations, Dino, and Siskin) and not as plugins that you separately install.
[22:57:29] <bowlofeggs> Also, some clients default to using OMEMO when possible. I believe Conversations does this, for example.
[22:59:01] <mathias> And it also works asynchronously? So I can send messages to an offline client, based on previous end-to-end negotiation?
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