Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, August 12, 2021< ^ >
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[00:30:13] <bowlofeggs> For omemo, yes
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[00:39:54] <mathias> @bowlofeggs: Thanks, I just compiled Conversations and will test it tomorrow. I want to set up XMPP for everyone I know, because of the new EU mass surveillance. Search for #chatcontrol if you want to know more.
[00:40:28] <mathias> it even has voice messages
[00:40:42] <mathias> now I am sold
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[00:53:15] <bowlofeggs> Yeah it’s pretty good. Enjoy!
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[01:11:37] <mathias> for STUN/TURN do I need to forward the ports 49152-65535 on my router to my ejabberd server?
[01:12:11] <ben> yeah
[01:12:37] <mathias> it only allows for a port range of 255 :(
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[01:15:10] <ben> you can configure ejabberd to use fewer ports
[01:15:27] <mathias> ben are you sure I need to forward them from my router?
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[01:15:45] <ben> yes, if the server is behind NAT
[01:15:50] <mathias> aren't those just ports to punch holes through NAT?
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[10:57:39] <ballerburg9005> mod_register_web is not working for me, although I loaded the module and typed "/register/" in the Url. How would I go on about debugging this?
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[10:58:03] <Holger> What happens if you try?
[10:58:12] <ballerburg9005> 404
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[10:59:34] <ballerburg9005> I tried gen_mod:loaded_modules('myurl.com'). in debug console to check if it is really loaded, but it returns empty
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[11:00:00] <ballerburg9005> I have never used the console
[11:00:00] <Holger> The 404 is returned by `ejabberd_http`?  I.e. does it look (exactly) like this:
https://messaging.one/register/nonexistent
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[11:01:27] <Holger> Or do you have some reverse proxy in front of ejabberd?
[11:01:27] <ballerburg9005> yes it is from ejabberd not my webserver, the 404 looks the same as if I mistype /adminn/ for example to the admin interface
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[11:01:53] <ballerburg9005> also I verified a connect via log level debug
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[11:03:39] <Holger> How does the `ejabberd_http` listener configuration look like?
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[11:04:38] <Mathias> it is me ballerburg9005: This is from the logs: 2021-08-12 10:47:11.184983+00:00 [debug] ({tlssock,#Port<0.108>,#Ref<0.6226115.973996035.137999>}) http query: 'GET' <<"/register/">>
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[11:05:46] <Mathias> the config is standard config from 21.07
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[11:06:16] <Mathias> or do I need to add a request handler to the module?
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[11:06:25] <Holger> > I tried gen_mod:loaded_modules('myurl.com').
Just by the way, the syntax is `rp(gen_mod:loaded_modules(<<"myurl.com">>)).`.  But `mod_register_web` is not actually a _loaded_ module, you don't add it to the list of `modules:`.  (You do need `mod_register` though.)
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[11:06:36] <Holger> > do I need to add a request handler to the module?
Yes, hence my question above.
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[11:07:28] <Mathias> I was wondering how the /register/ URI didn't seem to be referenced in the source code .. it says it is hardcoded though, maybe the description is outdated?
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[11:09:13] <Holger> Ah yes that's probably outdated.  Where does it say that?
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[11:10:20] <Mathias> Holger: in the comments of the source code file and also it isn't exactly documented for the mod_register_web section that a request handler is needed
[11:10:21] <Holger> I guess it would be good to include an example config here:
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod-register-web
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[11:11:34] <Mathias> well I am glad you can configure this now, I was thinking about doing a reverse proxy later to obscure the address
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[11:24:59] <Holger> Then again a reverse proxy might not be a bad idea anyway.
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[11:25:24] <Holger> I basically always put Nginx in front of `ejabberd_http`.
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[11:25:43] <Mathias> I only have lighthttpd it doesn't proxy authentication
[11:26:32] <Mathias> is it bad to leave it open without proxy?
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[11:32:45] <Holger> Ah, don't worry then, it's not like there's any known issues.
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[11:33:39] <Holger> It's just that if you're running a full-blown web server with proxy support anyway, it makes sense to me to leave HTTP handling to that server.
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[11:37:39] <Mathias> Holger: Is it possible to enable registrations only via mod_register_web? I don't want bots to be able to register.
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[11:38:22] <Mathias> ... so that is why I also wanted the reverse proxy over the trusted IP
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[11:46:05] <Frank> Hi everyone, I've got a question regarding stream management / session resumption. Are there any drawbacks in increasing default/max resume_timeout values with available RAM being more than sufficient ?
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[12:09:33] <Holger> Mathias,
```
modules:
  mod_register:
    access: none
    redirect_url: "https://example.com/register/new" # Tells clients to suggest this URL.
```
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[12:11:36] <Holger> Frank, there's no strong reason to avoid large timeouts, `mod_push_keepalive` bumps them to very large values for push clients, for example.  One downside is simply the online presence status of disconnected clients being misleading (esp. if they're _not_ reachable via push notification).
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[12:15:28] <Frank> Holger: thanks. Would online presence status be more accurate if I kill client connections on ping timeout ? Or does that defeat the purpose of session resumption anyway ?
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[12:16:07] <Holger> mod_ping just kills the _connection_, not the session (on purpose).  So that's kinda unrelated.
[12:16:24] <Holger> What's your goal?
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[12:17:55] <Holger> There's no huge downside but for non-mobile clients, I also see no real advantage in larger timeouts.  Which is why the defaults are the way they are 🙂
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[12:19:10] <Holger> (For mobile clients, the main reason is that keeping the session alive serves as workaround to make push notifications work for standard MUC.  Once we have a proper solution for that, I see no point in large stream management timeouts at all.)
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[12:20:36] <Holger> Other than that, it only really makes a difference for clients that _don't_ support MAM.  But for those, there's both pros and cons on long timeouts, gets complicated here.  Proper fix is implementing MAM 🙂
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[12:25:13] <Frank> Ok :)
Clients are mainly mobile, I've got MAM implemented. I read somewhere (forgot where) that session resumption was also meant to help mitigate cellular network outages. Thing is some of the clients connect through cellular networks that frequently experience outages longer than the default 5 minutes so I thought it might be helpful to increase timeouts here.
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[12:37:07] <Giovanni> Hi people
push notification on ejabberd community: is there a simple way to do that?
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[12:38:35] <Licaon_Kter> Giovanni: your server, your push server, your app?  Which usecase?
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[12:40:04] <Holger> Frank, as I said, just use `mod_push_keepalive` then.  This bumps the session timeout (in a somewhat-smart manner) if your mobile clients use `mod_push`.
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[12:40:36] <Holger> Frank, other than the MUC workaround I mentioned, session resumption is just a small optimization for faster reconnect anyway.
[12:40:56] <Frank> Holger: ok, thanks, got it.
[12:40:57] <Holger> Frank, but whatever, just experiment with large timeouts if you think that might help with your scenarios.
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[12:45:59] <Giovanni> Licaon_Kter let's say I have a Firebase server, I have my custom chat app, and I have an ejabber community server. How can I send push notification for offline messages to my app via my firebase?
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[12:51:13] <Holger> Giovanni: Closed setups are not the target audience of the Community Server. Open servers need an additional hop: the recipient's XMPP server sends push notifications to a proxy operated by the app vendor, which then forwards it to APNS/FCM (see XEP-0357).  The Community Server ships `mod_push`, which implements the recipient's server's part.
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[12:52:57] <Holger> Giovanni: Closed setups don't need this additional hop and could just have ejabberd generate APNS/FCM notifications directly.  The Business Edition supports this. Someone had modules on GitHub but I think they're no longer up to date.
[12:54:07] <Holger> Giovanni: The alternative is to just go for that additional hop even though you don't need it.  Look for 'p2' on GitHub for an example of such a proxy service.
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[13:08:32] <Giovanni> Holger thank you. It's a lot to process, let me think about what you said and perhaps I'll ask you more questions later 😃
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[13:09:12] <Holger> 👍️
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[13:09:52] <Holger> Yes things are probably confusing because we're solving problems you don't have with your closed setup.  And those make things complex.
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[13:12:25] <Holger> FTR, these are the outdated modules I meant:
https://github.com/mrDoctorWho/ejabberd_mod_apns
https://github.com/mrDoctorWho/ejabberd_mod_gcm
Such modules would be the straightforward solution, but I'm not aware of up-to-date versions for the Community Server.
[13:12:40] <Holger> And this is the 'p2' proxy I mentioned:
https://github.com/iNPUTmice/p2
[13:12:43] <Giovanni> wonderful, thank you
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[13:13:17] <Holger> Easiest solution is probably to just use ejabberd's `mod_push` combined with `p2`.
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[13:14:19] <Holger> (p2 docs only mention Google FCM, but the code also supports Apple APNS.)
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[13:16:45] <Giovanni> great
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[14:07:25] <Giovanni> Holger just a question for now: "Open servers" vs "Closed Setups": what is the difference in architectural terms? The problem is that client-side I can have various kind of apps? Or in the confederation of servers? Obviously I don't need a full explanation, just give me a hint if you can
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[14:08:59] <Holger> Giovanni, with regard to push the difference is that the app vendor might (and usually is) different from the service provider.
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[14:09:31] <Giovanni> ok
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[14:10:44] <Holger> Giovanni, i.e. I might be using the monal.im app with the example.com server.  The push notifications must be triggered by the example.com server, but the admin doesn't have the credentials required to generate APNS notifications.  Apple only hands those out to the monal.im app vendor.
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[14:11:13] <Giovanni> ok, it's crystal clear now
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[14:11:37] <Holger> Giovanni, so our solution is to have the monal.im app vendor run a proxy service which accepts the notifications from arbitrary public servers and forwards them to Apple, and a protocol for those to talk to each other.
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[14:12:12] <Holger> Giovanni, and p2 is such a proxy implementation (it's written and used by conversations.im).
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[14:26:42] <Giovanni> https://github.com/iNPUTmice/p2
and this is p2, correct?
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[14:32:22] <Holger> Yes.
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[14:33:34] <Giovanni> thank you very much
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[14:38:43] <Giovanni> (lol I just noticed you provided me the url few message earlier 😃 )
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