Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, August 31, 2021< ^ >
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[13:15:46] <Kris> is anyone working on an easy invite system for ejabberd similar to what Snikket does?
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[13:23:39] <Holger> marc has some code which is waiting for (my) review for ages.
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[13:25:58] <Holger> It's not clear to me what parts of Snikket correspond to the (current) specs, and whether the spec still needs work.
[13:27:09] <Kris> cool. looking forward to that
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[13:28:24] <Kris> sorry can't give any input on the specs, but this is definitly a features that would be really nice to have in ejabberd
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[13:29:50] <Kris> hmm no open PR for it?
[13:30:30] <Holger> No.
[13:30:38] <Holger> It's not usable as-is.
[13:30:49] <Holger> So it cannot be merged.
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[13:35:15] <Holger> Kris: Yes it certainly would be nice for some use-cases, but a non-standard solution is not an option.
[13:35:32] <Holger> > Note to developers: the XEP-0401 protocol is expected to change in the future, though Prosody will attempt to maintain backwards compatibility with the 0.3.0 protocol for as long as necessary.
https://modules.prosody.im/mod_invites_register.html
[13:35:46] <Kris> yeah, best would be a common standard with prosody/Snikket
[13:35:49] <Holger> And I *think* Snikket does more than those *invite* modules.
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[13:35:56] <Holger> But I forgot the details.
[13:36:03] <Holger> The standard is called XMPP ;-)
[13:36:24] <Holger> Snikket is a one man show that started off playing with cool but non-standard things.
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[13:37:13] <Kris> yeah, true. but imho a compatible implementation that can then inform a updated XEP with stuff that actually works is typically the better way IMHO
[13:37:14] <Holger> That's cool for trying them out and fleshing out the specs.  But we can't necessarily just implement whatever Snikket does in ejabberd.
[13:37:57] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: aren't 379+401 standards already?
[13:38:27] <Licaon_Kter> Kris: add your    👍
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/3161
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[13:38:50] <Kris> thx
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[13:40:52] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I dunno, never looked into it.  See my quote above regarding `mod_invites_register`, and as I said I think Snikket does stuff that's not in 379+401, and I remember marc discussing spec foo with the Prosody guys, but we should ask him.
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[13:41:54] <Licaon_Kter> Oh...
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[13:47:36] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: E.g. in #3161 you say "Supported already by clients".  I doubt clients simply support the current revision of those two XEPs and that's it.  So I'm not sure implementing those XEPs as-is would make anything work.  (But maybe stuff has changed in the meantime.)
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[14:45:07] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I see you now got an idea of the problem 😂
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[15:20:45] <Licaon_Kter> Well, shake them 'till they settle on a solution
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[15:22:24] <Holger> Yup.  It's obviously not the reason for making no progress in ejabberd, the real problem is missing manpower as usual.  But being unsure what exactly needs to be done doesn't make things easier.
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[15:23:42] <Holger> Right now I'm procrastinating by playing with Scuttlebutt.  Suddenly XMPP software feels like super-mature, ultra-professional shit.
[15:24:19] <Holger> And super-end-user-friendly.
[15:24:24] <Holger> Even without invitations.
[15:25:14] <moparisthebest> 🤣️
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[15:31:28] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: since Snikket iOS is out maybe those push xeps are more "urgent"
[15:31:56] <Holger> Agreed.
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[15:35:08] <Holger> > discussion has begun on moving these extensions over to the XMPP Standards Foundation standards process.
https://snikket.org/blog/snikket-ios-public-release/
I was excited to read that, but the link just points to my own push issue ;-)
[15:35:32] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah, I did the same...was disappoint :(
[15:36:04] <Holger> But that one is still not the urgerentestest thing anyway, the most urgent thing would be MUC push which is yet another issue.
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[15:43:43] <Holger> Ok seems Snikket doesn't actually have MUC push yet either.
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[17:57:57] <dwd> Hey all. Quick question because I'm too lazy to go Erlang spelunking: does the s2s_use_starttls setting apply to outbound only, or both directions?
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[18:50:19] <Holger> dwd: It applies to both (except that it's ignored for incoming connections if you set `tls: true` for the `ejabberd_s2s_in` listener in order to get XEP-0368-style TLS-on-connect).
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[23:06:33] <dwd> Holger, thanks! Just what I was going to hear, and you've answered my next question too.
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[23:07:09] <dwd> Is there any support for '368 outbound?
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