Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, September 1, 2021< ^ >
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[05:07:07] <Holger> dwd: Yes (can't be disabled, except by disabling TLS altogether).
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[06:20:30] <dwd> Even better! That means two independent implementations, so we should Finalize that.
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[06:26:16] <moparisthebest> xmpp-proxy is one too, iirc there was some minor editorial work to be done but can't recall at the moment
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[07:16:19] <Holger> Finalizing is so 2020, these days specs are stable.
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[10:58:45] <dwd> Well, they're no longer drafty, but we can still finalize them...
[10:59:18] <Holger> 🙂 Just kidding.
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[11:20:42] <zain> How to logout from blabber.im?
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[11:23:52] <Licaon_Kter> zain: disconnect account?!
What do you wanna do?
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[11:28:36] <DD> How to logout from blabber.im?
[11:29:20] <DD> > Licaon_Kter wrote:
> zain: disconnect account?!
> What do you wanna do?
Disconnect
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[11:32:30] <Licaon_Kter> DD: go to accounts...toggle it off...
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[12:15:18] <DD> Licaon_Kter: no toggle option
[12:15:36] <Licaon_Kter> Enable Multi Account in Settings
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[13:02:43] <Kris> in regards to designing an ejabberd cluster. as far as I read the cluster requires mnesia as the database for regular stuff. I am currently thinking that accounts and maybe MAM could be put on a seperate database for reliability. I will also put the http_upload component on a seperate server. Anything else that would make sense?
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[13:03:33] <Kris> the individual cluster servers are small 2GB RAM ARM boards, so I am trying to optimize it with that in mind
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[13:05:08] <Holger> Kris,
> as far as I read the cluster requires mnesia as the database for regular stuff.
Cluster or not, Mnesia is _always_ used for _runtime_ state.  Cluster or not, you decide whether to use Mnesia or SQL for _persistent_ data.
[13:05:32] <Kris> ah
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[13:06:12] <Holger> It's only related to clustering in that Mnesia has cluster-support built-in, whereas you're on your own with SQL (e.g., some use Galera for clustering MariaDB).
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[13:06:37] <Holger> Nevertheless, you really don't want to use Mnesia for storing non-trivial amounts of data.
[13:06:50] <Holger> I.e., you don't want it for SQL nor PubSub.
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[13:07:01] <Holger> You don't really want it for persistent data at all 🙂
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[13:07:20] <Kris> ah so the pubsub component should also be put on a seperate sql database?
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[13:07:29] <Holger> I'd recommend that, yes.
[13:07:35] <Kris> noted
[13:08:22] <Holger> I'd really recommend against Mnesia altogether.  If you use it for persistent data, recovery from split-brain situations (after netsplits or node crashes) becomes harder.
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[13:09:02] <Holger> Avoiding that obviously moves the problem to SQL, where I'm not into clustering, but that can't be worse than Mnesia 😉
[13:09:05] <Kris> any idea how much of an bottle neck a SQL single database would be when referencing it from 7 cluster nodes?
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[13:10:37] <Holger> Not sure about SQL performance (you have millions of online devices?).  I guess you should be able to handle a pretty large number of users if PostgreSQL/MariaDB runs on a modern, dedicated server, and you give it lots of GiB for caching.
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[13:11:09] <Holger> But why are you interested in ejabberd clustering if you end up with a single point of SQL failure after all?
[13:11:41] <Kris> heh, it is more of an experiment since I have this ARM cluster in need of a usecase.
[13:11:51] <Holger> Ah, that I understand very well 🙂
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[13:13:36] <dwd> Holger, In fairness, if you're using something like AWS RDS, then while the database is a single point of failure the failure is very short.
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[13:16:06] <dwd> So, I have a few certificate questions. First, does the presence of ca_file (mostly to remove warnings about invalid certs), imply c2s_cafile at all? I saw that s2s_cafile defaults to the global for validating servers' certificates, but it doesn't say about C2S.
[13:16:12] <Holger> Ok, using services with very good uptime is a good trick.
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[13:18:16] <dwd> Secondly... In newer ejabberd, it picks the certificates based on (I think) domain name only. If I'm using a private CA for C2S and a public CA for S2S, is there a way of telling ejabberd which certificates to use? `certfile` on a listener appears to simply add the certificate to the pool.
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[13:19:24] <Holger> dwd: Hrm, from quick glance at the code it seems c2s_cafile does _not_ default to ca_file indeed, unlike s2s_cafile.  Kinda inconsistent, eh?
[13:19:38] <Holger> Maybe reason enough to post an issue!
[13:19:38] <dwd> Holger, Actually really useful in my case.
[13:19:42] <Holger> Heh.
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[13:20:23] <dwd> Holger, Seems ejabberd likes to complain if it cannot validate its own certificates - which is fine - but I really don't want it trusting that CA for inbound C2S...
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[13:20:50] <dwd> I mean, it's a private CA generally for us, but still. Trust domains and all that.
[13:20:56] <Holger> Inbound S2S, you mean?
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[13:22:13] <dwd> Either, actually. But I can override S2S with the right CAs.
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[13:22:38] <Holger> Ah right.
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[13:26:36] <Holger> > `certfile` on a listener appears to simply add the certificate to the pool.
Not sure, I can have a look later if nobody else knows.
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[13:33:18] <dwd> Hmmm... New question - I'm looking at this config file and all the listeners have an "ip" key giving an address - that's completely ignored, isn't it? Doesn't appear in the documentation at all.
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[13:37:56] <dwd> Oh, never mind, there's a whole bunch of lower level TCP and berkley-sockets options that are mentioned in code but not the docs.
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[14:13:44] <Holger> dwd: `ip` is mentioned at the top of this page, FWIW: <https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/listen/>
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[15:37:24] <DD> Ejabberd server takes lowercase letters input for users. Can it be changed?
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[15:38:42] <Holger> DD: As per the XMPP specs, DD@example.com and dd@example.com are to be treated as the same user.  If that's what you mean.
[15:39:07] <dwd> DD, XMPP itself mandates that the usernames (local parts of Jids) contain only certain characters, and normalise. "lower case" is a subset of that.
[15:39:21] <Holger> DD: If it isn't, please explain where exactly you're entering a username, what exactly you expect to happen, and what happens instead.
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[15:42:30] <DD> How to set username on server side?
Because in ejabberd portal we enter just the jid
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[15:43:40] <DD> Where can i enter username? One option comes up while logging in jabber.im client. Can we enter it somewhere in server as well? Because i have notcied that it stores the name, next login from same account automatically adds the username
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[18:07:56] <zain> Holger: i was entering in ejabberd server side. With capital letters it says bad format. I have requirement where i have to to use uppercase and lowercase letters
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[18:10:12] <Holger> zain: What's the "ejabberd server side"?  An `ejabberdctl` command?  The admin web interface?
[18:10:34] <zain> Holger: admin web interface.
[18:11:01] <Holger> zain: Anyway, as we mentioned above, XMPP user names are case-insensitive as per the protocol, so ejabberd might not be able to fulfil that requirement of yours.
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[18:11:49] <Holger> The XMPP protocol says that ZAIN@example.com and zain@example.com *must* refer to the same account.
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