Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, August 25, 2022< ^ >
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[06:16:24] <EOF> code question: there appears to be a generated (erlang) module for each ejabberd module, ending in `_opt`, e.g. `mod_mix_opt`. I've gone off on a curious tangent trying to find out where this is done. I would expect that `gen_mod.erl` would be involved, but that does not seem to be the case, or at least I can't spot anything. Does anyone know where I might look?
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[06:54:38] <EOF> disregard me, i am a sleep deprived idiot
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[07:29:21] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> no, you're just sleep deprived
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[10:56:58] <Mx2> Can s2s stanzas be run through regexp preprocessing? Also which is the correct format of acl to completely block s2s...outgoing
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[11:02:34] <Licaon_Kter> Mx2: don't setup a listen for 5269
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[11:02:45] <Holger> 1. Would require a custom module. 2. `s2s_access: none`.
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[11:02:54] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Won't help with outgoing tho.
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[11:03:16] <Holger> Note that for standard push notifications you do need s2s.
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[11:04:33] <Licaon_Kter> > Won't help with outgoing tho.
Right, so Mx2 use https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib -> mod_isolation
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[11:20:35] <Mx2> > Holger wrote:
> Note that for standard push notifications you do need s2s.
What exactly u mean?
[11:20:36] <Mx2> I so far used iptables for dst port 5269 but not optimal
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[11:25:22] <Holger> Mx2, we don't know your setup.  Main target audience of this room is users of the open source ejabberd "Community Edition", who offer public services, not closed/commercial setups.  Users of such public services use standard clients such as Conversations.im or Monal.im, for example.  And those support push notifications.  And for those to work, ejabberds must be able to talk s2s to their push service backends.
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[11:28:55] <Holger> Mx2 we could go on asking you about your environment, e.g. whether you have mobile clients, whether you control those, whether you support push, and if so how; in order to understand whether you might need s2s for push to work.  But I for one am more interested in spending my spare time on supporting open setups, so I just wanted to mention that potential issue and call it a day.
[11:29:24] <Holger> Mx2, but the direct response to your question is "remove any `ejabberd_s2s_in` listeners and specify the global setting `s2s_access: none`.
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[11:30:50] <Licaon_Kter> > I so far used iptables for dst port 5269
If you have a hammer...
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[11:31:07] <Holger> ... you may easily fail to hit the nail!
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[11:35:24] <Mx2> Well, basically i can live without push notifications,  just wanted keep the server pure private
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[11:37:31] <Mx2> Which i think even with the hammer kinda worked, but im beginning from scratch again, c2s is handled by manual registration,  and if the s2s listener is disabled,  what can for informations get outside?
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[11:39:38] <Holger> The "you may miss the nail" part was that remote servers may well listen on ports other than 5269.
[11:39:42] <Mx2> The erlang.language used isn't known to me, so understanding the source isn't easy yet
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[11:41:47] <Mx2> > Holger wrote:
> The "you may miss the nail" part was that remote servers may well listen on ports other than 5269.
So the question is about those ranges, and if my server will eventually reach them. But with blocked s2s listening it cannot theoretical get any request
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[11:44:02] <Holger> It can be arbitrary ports, there's no range.  But with the settings I suggested, the server won't talk s2s, right.
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[11:49:23] <Mx2> Thx
[11:49:42] <Mx2> Debug llog level should tell
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[13:13:01] <yann-kaelig> It's nice to see, that the orphaned epmd process issue also occur on systemd.  First I thought that was an issue only on S6, but not at all ...
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[13:14:21] <yann-kaelig> and so a systemctl restart ejabberd service failed because of that
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[13:15:10] <yann-kaelig> this can be repoducible for example when a DB like postgresql failed to start but ejabberd doesn't care about that
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[13:15:49] <yann-kaelig> fix the DB, restart it and next restart ejabberd and it will fail
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[15:53:49] <kapad> » "remove any `ejabberd_s2s_in` listeners and specify the global setting `s2s_access: none`.
that means, that we have a full working xmpp setup that only 'local' users can communicate each others ? and full means uploads, muc, or what other mods dont require s2s conections ?
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[15:54:20] <Licaon_Kter> kapad: yes, except push
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[15:56:00] <kapad> thanks! interesting, but never think make something like this ...
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[16:03:24] <kapad> ok, here 'my' curious question, not have try anything yet, but ...
assume i have 2 diff servers one by ejabberd, other by prosody,
- diff domains,
- listen on diff local interfaces but common ports
for example: a) 127.0.0.1:5269 b) 127.0.0.10:5269
how i can proxy them based on the domain ? I mean would be possible to ie: nginx listen public on 5269 and then proxy requests according to the host ? Would this works `fine` in a real life scenario ?
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[16:06:31] <MattJ> It would be easiest to use different ports and then put the port in SRV records
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[16:07:14] <MattJ> Another option is to use one as a proxy to the other, e.g. using Prosody's mod_component_client (I don't know if ejabberd has something similar)
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[16:07:33] <kapad> MattJ: yes. but for one domain not be able to set SRV records at all
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[16:08:54] <MattJ> You could also try something like https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-proxy
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[16:09:33] <kapad> Is not possible to proxy base xmpp port, technically, or is it that will not scale well and loose performance ?
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[16:11:07] <kapad> ... MattJ: yes. but for one domain not be able to set SRV records at all
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[16:12:56] <MattJ> I just sent you a link to one way to proxy XMPP connections
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[16:13:45] <kapad> MattJ: i look at it right now ...
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[16:16:58] <kapad> MattJ: so you say, a not so specific proxy like nginx is not gonna work, or just that 'there are better ways' ? :)
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[16:18:49] <MattJ> nginx is a HTTP web server/proxy, XMPP is not HTTP
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[16:19:04] <MattJ> There is an nginx extension that supports XMPP, but it's not actively maintained
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[16:20:35] <Holger> In theory you could proxy direct TLS connections based on SNI.  But not all remote servers support connecting to you via direct TLS.
[16:21:01] <Licaon_Kter> kapad: look up 'sslh'
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[16:22:49] <kapad> so, what is the 'nature' of xmpp connections, (s2s and c2s only), sockets, streams ?
or the proxy must somehow implement a part of the protocol also ?
[16:23:36] <MattJ> I didn't suggest sslh because the example ports were 5269, and many servers don't do direct TLS s2s
[16:24:06] <Zash> Anyone got stats on that?
[16:24:07] <Holger> kapad, you mentioned port 5269.  That's typically used for s2s plain-text s2s connections that are (optionally/usually) upgraded to TLS using <starttls/>.
[16:24:27] <Zash> Holger, optionally? not since 2014!
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[16:24:41] <Holger> kapad, for those, the proxy would need to understand at least the initial XMPP negotiation to forward based on domain name.
[16:24:53] <Licaon_Kter> MattJ: so if I setup sslh it won't work?
[16:24:59] <MattJ> That said, I think sslh does have some regex stuff
[16:25:07] <Licaon_Kter> kapad: search sslh here https://gist.github.com/54d4656cc753b98e1dc0d81a59a73faa
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[16:25:24] <MattJ> Licaon_Kter, it might in a very hacky way
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[16:25:49] <Holger> kapad, with the alternative I mentioned, direct TLS, domain selection is typically done on the TLS layer.  And that's something Nginx could handle, for example.  But not necessarily all remote servers.
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[16:26:15] <MattJ> Licaon_Kter, sslh is mostly designed for proxying TLS sessions, it doesn't have an XMPP parser (iirc it does, but based on regex)
[16:26:27] <Licaon_Kter> kapad: basically you set one domain via SRVs, the one you can setup, to port 443 (or whatver for sslh) and you keep the one w/o DNS on 5222/5269
[16:27:10] <Zash> Holger, https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/a7109eb45e30
[16:27:10] <Holger> Another alternative: https://github.com/surevine/Metre 🙂
[16:27:12] <Zash> 😉
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[16:27:28] <Licaon_Kter> MattJ:
> I didn't suggest sslh because the example ports were 5269, and many servers don't do direct TLS s2s
So if my SRV says for xmppserver use 443 snikket.org would ignore my SRV?
[16:27:53] <MattJ> _xmpp-server or _xmpps-server ?
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[16:28:32] <Licaon_Kter> Both, all, whatever :))
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[16:28:45] <MattJ> If _xmpp-server, no, it wouldn't ignore it. Why would it?
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[16:29:19] <Licaon_Kter> The "corporate firewall" case, or the dumb vps case, say only 443 is reachable
[16:29:25] <MattJ> But at ~50% of the network doesn't support _xmpps-server, and so that would be ignored by many
[16:30:34] <Zash> MattJ, since "the network" is roughly 50/50 ejabberd/prosody and prosody 0.12+ does _xmpps, I guesstimate like 75% can do _xmpps by now
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[16:31:13] <Zash> Last I checked the prosodies were like 50/50 0.12/something older
[16:31:14] <Zash> so
[16:31:15] <Zash> yeah
[16:31:22] <MattJ> 50% of Prosody users upgraded to 0.12 in the past 5 months? You're optimistic :)
[16:31:53] <Zash> I'm basing this on Conversations compliance checker data
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[16:36:38] <Zash> E.g. https://compliance.conversations.im/test/xep0402/ ought to be prosody 0.12+ only, and https://compliance.conversations.im/test/xep0280_rules/ I think is ejabberd >? + prosody 0.12+
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[16:41:11] <Zash> Holger, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7590#section-3.1
> the initiating entity MUST NOT be deterred from attempting TLS negotiation
(because the offer could be stripped by an attacker)
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[16:49:49] <Holger> Zash, ah.
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[17:00:15] <kapad> Licaon_Kter: your gist is quiet interesting to me 👍,
what found interesting was
```
    upstream xmppserver {
        server 127.0.0.1:5269;
    }
```,
that is located in the **stream** section of nginx config !
That's the reason i ask above:  so, what is the 'nature' of xmpp connections, (s2s and c2s only), sockets, streams ?
[17:00:27] <kapad> my ejabberd case is
s2s: 5269 |  s2s_use_starttls: required
c2s: 5222 |  starttls_required: true  , starttls: true
so what initially ask/wonder if a simple nginx's proxy_pass would be enough ?
even my without SRV domains, can reach my server without any problem as use the default ports
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[17:01:32] <kapad> ... also look at all info/links by all !!!
[17:01:36] <Licaon_Kter> Do read that I don't use nginx for that, and I don't recall ever have it working for multiplexing. That's just "in theory"
Also gist is old, some stuff changed but the sslh section not that much
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[17:06:39] <tutor1@01337.io> Hi guys, does anyone know why I cannot retrieve a user's roster from my ejabberd server? (A longer version of my question you can find here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73488331/xmpp-error-when-retrieving-roster-no-module-is-handling-this-query) My xml is correct as far as I know and I strictly followed the documentation.
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[17:08:00] <Licaon_Kter> `ejabberdctl get_roster user domain` ?
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[17:12:40] <Licaon_Kter> tutor1@01337.io: do attach your clean config as a https://gist.github.com or pastebin
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[17:15:35] <kapad> Licaon_Kter: i like to see how other people coding, how they think while, its interesting, the final code maybe care or not, but 'spread alogorythming' is good !!!
don't copy/paste neither install what seems nice, since went public haha
[17:17:22] <tutor1@01337.io> Hm I am running my server on docker, I don't seem to have the newer commands like get_roster, but anyways, it should also work via xml, shouldn't it?
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[17:17:59] <tutor1@01337.io> One sec, I'll upload it, but it is relatively basic / not much changed
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[17:19:07] <tutor1@01337.io> Because I am trying to build a web app with a chat and I don't think I'll be using ejabberdctl at all
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[17:20:51] <EOF> ok, internals quistion not borne of sleep deprivation: where is the `iq` record declared? it's referenced extensively, but when I try to create an `iq` record interactively (`#iq{}`), I am told it is undefined.
[17:20:58] <EOF> s/qui/que/
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[17:23:00] <kapad> Licaon_Kter: i like to see how other people coding, how they think while, its interesting, the final code maybe care or not, but 'spread algorythming' is good !!!
don't copy/paste neither install what seems nice, since went public
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[17:25:56] <EOF> the answer is `xmpp/include/xmpp_codec.hrl` and that ripgrep absolutely refuses to search those files
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[17:28:45] <tutor1@01337.io> I added a comment underneath my post on stackoverflow with a link to my gist now
[17:29:01] <tutor1@01337.io> https://gist.github.com/arablinda/b699f84bd814622f222a8a75b6fa5325 Or here again
[17:31:50] <Licaon_Kter> tutor1@01337.io:
> Because I am trying to build a web app with a chat and I don't think I'll be using ejabberdctl at all
It was more about testing that it works first
Then decide the issue is elsewhere, hence let's see the config too
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[17:32:40] <tutor1@01337.io> Ah I see!
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[18:08:47] <Holger> EOF, yeah (those records are auto-generated from `xmpp/specs/xmpp_code.spec` BTW).  You can read them into the shell:
```
rr("/path/to/ejabberd/_build/default/lib/xmpp/include/*.hrl").
```
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[18:10:05] <EOF> good to know
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[19:12:06] <EOF> Are there any good architecture documents on stanza routing inside ejabberd?
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[19:42:56] <EOF> a user just alerted me to an issue with one of my MUCs, and it appears that the muc process is dead and has not been restarted. https://rimgo.pussthecat.org/tHNWl3d.png
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[20:03:43] <Holger> EOF:
> Are there any good architecture documents on stanza routing inside ejabberd?
https://docs.ejabberd.im/developer/extending-ejabberd/stanza-routing/
(A separate `ejabberd_receiver` process no longer exists though.)
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[21:20:03] <Mx2> Can i filter stanzas if later want allow particular users from.other servers?. 0t: Tbh i never used push notifications,  but have androclients way to bookmark (pin ) a msg?
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[23:40:28] <EOF> so this is a pretty fundamental and simple SE matter, but the gen_mod interface seems to quite unecessarily wrap Map. gen_mod:get_opt/2 is effectively an alias for maps:get/2. I realise that gen_mod may wish to treat options as opaque, but it strikes me as overengineered.
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