Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, January 31, 2023< ^ >
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[10:21:08] <zhoska> I noticed that you can't write to people on 404 until they add you to contacts. Is there an opportunity to do something similar in ejabberd? I'm just thinking that bad people can start flooding private messages to users of my server. It will be bad if this flood starts when they do not have the opportunity to send the scoundrel to the blacklist
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[10:22:36] <zhoska> More precisely, you can add 404 to contacts by writing 1-2 messages, but no more. Interested in how it can be implemented for all users
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[10:28:20] <kapad> » i stopped old ejabberd, than changed ports new ejabberd, than changed dns srv with new ports and all works......
imo, the interesting would be to
- stopped old ejabberd
- then change nothing else
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[10:30:02] <zhoska> kapad, ?
[10:30:10] <zhoska> i not understand
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[10:31:38] <kapad> generally when try to debug things, make ONE change, then test. If change 2-3 things at the same time, cant focus down to the issue ...
[10:32:05] <Martin> I just replace the docker containers in my kubernetes cluster
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[10:34:57] <zhoska> kapad, yes, you right
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[10:35:53] <kapad> zhoska: so what you did was put new domain at default ports, and of course everything works. you'll never know why having both didn't work, maybe it because of clients, maybe because DNS records, ...
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[10:37:07] <zhoska> the DNS records were for two ejabberds and I rechecked the correctness several times
[10:37:22] <kapad> zhoska: also something, maybe not yor case or know already, is that xmpp SRV records must point to A records, not CNAME or something else
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[10:40:04] <zhoska> I did as shown in the example. I.e. the goal was to indicate domain.com
[10:40:42] <Licaon_Kter> zhoska: 404 runs ejabberd yes, see mod_block_strangers but it's a pain for users
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[10:43:48] <zhoska> I don't have many of them and for the most part they are inexperienced in using (as a result, they don't know what to do in the case of inadequate people). The experience with the morph gave me a lot of experience
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[10:50:46] <Licaon_Kter> There's no flood of spam if no one knows your address. So unless their advertise it everywhere...there will no spam.
Morph was something else...
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[10:50:56] <Licaon_Kter> There's no flood of spam if no one knows your address. So unless they advertise it everywhere...there will no spam.
Morph was something else...
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[10:57:22] <zhoska> I see him every day or every other day. I don't know what you know about him, but by the way, he told me about the server problem with the history of messages in chats. He can flood in PM in group chats. He is very experienced in xmpp and has dozens of accounts on different servers. Therefore, I am now preparing for all the worst options so that the users and the server itself are safe.
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[10:59:19] <Licaon_Kter> Where do you see them? Do you look them up and join the same channels?
Again, that mod_block_strangers won't help in a channel anyway.
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[11:07:15] <zhoska> No, I know which channels he's in. He's also on my channel. But every time he comes in with a new JID. After each message, it can exit the channel. I know the person who created the bot. This bot is artificial intelligence (as he said) and by the structure of writing messages determines whether it is a morph or not. At first it worked poorly, but now it guesses in almost all cases!
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[11:09:11] <zhoska> Yes, this will not save chats. But the morph is evolving. Judging by the stories of experienced people, he changes his behavior, so I don't want to experiment with my users
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[11:12:42] <zhoska> I have feedback from users. If it bothers them, I'll turn it off. You are right that you can flood by finding out the JID, however, you can go to the channel in which the JID is public for everyone
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[11:17:33] <Licaon_Kter> zhoska: Why go there? Which one is that?
[11:17:54] <Licaon_Kter> Eg. Conversations warns you if try
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[11:19:25] <kapad> if you have `friends` or known people inside your mucs, can also try put every new user as visitor/cant-talk then manually or with script make them 'participants' ...
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[11:21:55] <zhoska> Since I have a new account, I have already lost these chats. They are usually written about in chats. Yes, conversations notifies, but inexperienced people will not understand what the danger is and can ignore it (as well as tick off agreements when downloading proprietary applications)
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[11:24:50] <zhoska> kapad, I've done that before. There is little comfort in this. My choice now: everyone has the right to vote, the JID is not public and there is a min message interval in the server settings
[11:26:04] <kapad> 'vote' how ? are have a bot inside your mucs ?
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[11:26:39] <zhoska> I had bots that asked me to solve a problem or answer a question in PM. A useful thing. But I decided if it is no longer possible to flood in chats (min message interval) then this bot is not needed
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[11:28:11] <kapad> zhoska: i mean how they 'vote', ( i guess you meant that users vote if another user is a bot or not )
[11:30:10] <zhoska> I'm sorry, this is probably a wrong translation. All new members have the right to write messages*
[11:30:24] <kapad> ok.
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[17:04:41] <gerbear> Hi, I could use some help configuring ejabberd to use a 3rd party stun/turn server (open relay at metered.ca). Here's the background: I can not complete calls to certain users on my server. My server is a Freedombox on which I have chosen to install ejabberd. Freedombox, if you let it automatically manage call setup, installs coTurn (I don't know why. Ask them). It has been suggested that my coturn setup is faulty. So, I want to try someone else's, known to work coturn server. But, they use authentication where you need have a new username/passwd, and they give there configure instructions in a js snippet to be inserted in one's app code. So, it hasn't been as straight forward as swapping my servers name for theirs and inserting their port numbers. so, How do I integrate a username/passwd into my ejabberd config, and do I keep the shared secret that was already in my ejabberd config?
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[17:14:03] <MattJ> Don't use the username/password option
[17:14:06] <MattJ> See this: https://www.metered.ca/tools/openrelay/#-static-auth
[17:14:52] <Holger> Does that server seem to work these days?
[17:15:08] <Holger> I've seen reports in the past that it doesn't, but never tested it myself.
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[17:15:54] <MattJ> It worked a few months ago when I tested it with the prosodyctl tool, but yeah, I saw someone recently saying that it required registering an account
[17:15:57] <MattJ> I should test again
[17:16:14] <Holger> Ah.
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[17:17:44] <MattJ> I'm on a weird network setup right now, but it appears to not be responding even to STUN, using settings that previously worked
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[17:18:43] <MattJ> or yeah, maybe it's my network... another server I tried isn't working either
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[17:51:53] <gerbear> MattJ, thanks, I'll try that (though the above reports of it not working are discouraging)
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[19:36:38] <ffunk> Hello, recently I've read about Traefik here - can somebody give me a hint how to import certs obtained by Traefik to ejabberd?Is there some kind of howto or something?Thanks
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[20:16:50] <nuron> Holger,
>  I'd think enabling the (HA) proxy protocol should do the trick:
> https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368#Nginx_2
I've tried again now. Had to add proxy_protocol to the listen line in my server block from my webpage but now it seems to work. Only question: the link has a block about ejabberd config and that I've to add another listener that uses this proxy protocol. Does it has to be a seperate listener or could I add this single line to an existinc listener?
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[20:26:21] <nuron> and if it's a seperate lisener, then the nginx needs to point to this new listener, right?
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[20:28:46] <nuron> and if it's a seperate listener, then the nginx needs to point to this new listener, right?
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[20:56:11] <nuron> just ignore what I've written... Most times its just enough to read carefully
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[21:09:27] <Sando> ffunk there is something called traefik cert dumper which could help, it requires however some adjustments and probably cron jobs or similar
https://github.com/ldez/traefik-certs-dumper
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[21:14:29] <ffunk> Sando: That's exactly what I need,thanks!
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[21:16:43] <Sando> 🚀 🥳
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[22:52:35] <gerbear> in the mod_stun_disco section of the ejabberd yml config has a credentials_lifetime: and a secret: directive. Are those for authenticating with clients or with a stun/turn service?
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[22:56:42] <Holger> Those are used for deriving temporary TURN credentials handed over to clients. I.e. clients receive them from the XMPP server and use them for authenticating against the TURN server.
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[23:04:53] <gerbear> well then, I think I finally identified the issue with some users of ejabberd not being able to complete the connection when trying to call between them, even though I don't have a clue how to fix it. (But your answer has helped to clear a bit of the fog that prevents me from having a clear image of how clients xmpp and stun/turn fit together. Thanks for that :) ) The problem is this line that I noticed for the first time in the logcat output from android "skipping turn/tcp without username and password". There's a like line for udp. I'm guessing this means I'm missing something in either my ejabberd configuration or the config of coTurn (yes I know ejabbered can do stun/turn natively. Not my descision) Can anyone tell me how to get authentication working?
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[23:06:16] <gerbear> I can post current configs if wanted
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[23:18:48] <gerbear> (the users of my ejabberd who can connect a call don't need turn I guess, whereas other do and it's not working)
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[23:30:30] <gerbear> Holger, does the xmpp server generate the credentials itself, or does it rely on another service to make them?
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[23:33:26] <MattJ> It generates them itself, based on the secret you configure (which must match the secret the TURN server is configured with)
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[23:36:48] <gerbear> and how do I tell ejabberd to generate them, because according to the phone's usb debugging logs, the phone isn't getting a username and password
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[23:46:09] <gerbear> or maybe it is generating them but not passing them on to the client?
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