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ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[02:24:54] <tyler_h> https://upload.movim.eu/files/1066220ae4d1cb2eb72c9ab55f4cd0126c7a6915/CBZbc3ODokfY/ejabberd.log
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[02:25:38] <tyler_h> Can anyone see a reason as to they the log looks normal, but the http file upload fails?  I'm wondering if my issue is an nginx problem
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[05:35:14] <Holger> kapad: That's fine, assuming `xmpp.` is nothing but the host name of the server.
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[08:59:10] <kapad> Holger: please help ...,  if my DNS records point my xmpp services at xmpp.example.com, then a client dont have to connect at xmpp.example.com ?  Then xmpp.example.com dont have to issue a certificate at list for xmpp.example.com and not just for example.com ?
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[08:59:33] <kapad> Holger: please help ...,  if my DNS records point my xmpp services at xmpp.example.com, then a client dont have to connect at xmpp.example.com ?  Then xmpp.example.com dont have to issue a certificate at least for xmpp.example.com and not just for example.com ?
[09:00:23] <prefiks> your cert must be issued for domain that xmpp server uses
[09:00:26] <Holger> Right, just example.com.
[09:00:31] <prefiks> so in that case example.org
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[09:02:18] <kapad> Didnt knew it ! Of course in (my) case of proxing, cant do this i guess, right ?
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[09:05:29] <kapad> for example nginx must issue a certificate for upload.example.com even if internal will redirect this in ejabberd. ?
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[09:14:46] <kapad> Also does starttls works with just example.com ? Both in yoda 's domain dont seem to work ...
- openssl s_client -showcerts -connect xxxx.pt:5222 -starttls xmpp -xmpphost xmpp.xxxx.pt
- openssl s_client -showcerts -connect xmpp.xxxx.pt:5222 -starttls xmpp -xmpphost xmpp.xxxx.pt
^ unable to load certificate
140042046760256:error:0909006C:PEM routines:get_name:no start line:../crypto/pem/pem_lib.c:745:Expecting: TRUSTED CERTIFICATE
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[09:15:42] <kapad> Holger, prefiks ^
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[09:16:23] <prefiks> client will not use xmpp.example.org it will only use example.org
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[09:18:06] <kapad> so will ignore dns records ?
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[09:20:25] <kapad> dighost example.com
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;> Retrieving XMPP SRV records
_xmpp-server._tcp.ccpp.pt. 3600  IN    SRV    5 0 5269 xmpp.example.com.
_xmpps-server._tcp.ccpp.pt. 3600 IN    SRV    5 0 5270 xmpp.example.com.
_xmpp-client._tcp.ccpp.pt. 3600  IN    SRV    5 0 5222 xmpp.example.com.
_xmpps-client._tcp.ccpp.pt. 3600 IN    SRV    5 0 5223 xmpp.example.com.
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[09:21:38] <prefiks> no, those record says that if you want to connect as client to ccpp.pt use ip address of xmpp.example.com, but that doesn't mean it should change xmpp domain to that one
[09:22:25] <kapad> prefiks: Thank you !
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[09:32:23] <kapad> prefiks: sorry, if bother from something, the above is totally clear. But,
if ejabberd offer modules/services as upload.vhost.tld, conference.vhost.tld, dont have to issue certificates for that names, just for vhost.tld ?
Is that what Holger + you said ?
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[09:35:52] <kapad> .... i almost bet that if my certificate dont include these, ejabberd complains while staring
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[09:39:14] <Holger> Yes those subdomains that are used for actual XMPP services should have a certificate. At least those that are meant to be used by remote users, e.g. `conference.`.
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[09:40:09] <Holger> Those that are only used by local accounts don't actually need to be part of the certificate, but they may still lead to log file warnings if they're not.
[09:41:04] <Holger> Either way, XMPP subdomains vs. the host name of the server running ejabberd are different stories. The latter doesn't need a certificate.
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[09:41:30] <Holger> And ejabberd won't complain about the latter.
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[09:45:03] <kapad> ok, i think i get it(?) 'What names or what, are parts of a `talk` in an already established connection between a client and a server, dont have to
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[09:52:21] <kapad> i'have a photographic type a mem, so was almost sure that ejabberd complained about not a cert proxy65.vhost.tld, that  also is a public thing ...
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[09:52:40] <Holger> kapad: Yes, that's right.
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[09:53:33] <kapad> Thanks both, for point me my misunderstandings, and also help to clear them !
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[10:02:22] <kapad> But, 😛
still don't have any opinion or something, why this could happening:
```
echo `ejabberdctl registered_users my.vhost`
bot1 bot1 userA userA userB userB bot2 bot2
```
dont have time right now, i'm at work, but still not have a clue why ...
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[10:04:45] <kapad> from where `registered_users` read the accounts, mnesia ( my.vhost's db ) have only 4 recs of passwd for that host ...
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[10:04:55] <Holger> kapad: A client wants to connect to the XMPP service called example.com.  First step is to ask DNS which host serves that domain.  DNS might respond that xmpp.example.com serves the example.com domain.  The client now requests the certificate for example.com, not the resolved name.  If it checked for xmpp.example.com instead, the attacker could MITM you by forging the initial DNS response.
Names such as proxy65.example.com are names that remote servers might connect to.  They will again resolve those subdomains in DNS (and might end up with xmpp.example.com) but verify the original name.
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[10:08:20] <kapad> ^ i got it
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[10:10:14] <kapad> Holger: any idea why `ejabberdctl registered_users` output duplicate users ? maybe have to dig and cant now, but just in case
[10:11:02] <Zash> Wanna complicate things? In case of DNSSEC it is safe to use the srv delegated name, but not reliable until everyone has and validates DNSSEC
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[10:16:15] <kapad> personally i like simplicity. i wish all queries goes to the server and answer by him through and within the xmpp protocol. just a certificate and a valid ip would be ok ( ??? )
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[10:36:20] <Holger> > personally i like simplicity.
Then XMPP is not what you want 😉
[10:37:03] <Zash> But it's not like anything else is less complex for a comparable problem space.
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[10:48:09] <kapad> Holger: yes, you're right :), but again its ok !
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[10:55:18] <kapad> at least xmpp its a whole thing that try to deal with many things, and each thing and its complexity on top of it. in its core i think it pretty ok
[10:55:39] <kapad> at least xmpp its a whole thing that try to deal with many things, and each thing add its complexity on top of it. in its core i think it pretty ok
[10:55:43] <Zash> We're communicating over sand and rocks, nothing is simple
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[10:56:26] <Zash> Yeah, XMPP core has a bunch of complexity (that is warranted), and then it's stuff on top of that.
[10:57:02] <Zash> Where as "simple" things might look simple at first, but then you read about HTTP cache headers and whatnot and everything hurts
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[10:58:36] <Zash> I'm pretty sure that complexity is constant, all you can do is move it around.
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[10:59:08] <kapad> » [13:55:43] <Zash> We're communicating over sand and rocks, nothing is simple
but if realize what really is in our hands, then things could be, at least what they are
[10:59:09] <Holger> Well you can always add unnecessary complexity 🙂
[10:59:51] <kapad> >  unnecessary complexity
^ too much of that around ...
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[13:50:58] <syscall_> you can always use bosh anyway
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[13:57:45] <Licaon_Kter> syscall_: websockets or bust
[13:58:58] <syscall_> i am looking into deploying a network of edge transcoder for multiconferencing. do you know state of the art on this?
[13:59:32] <syscall_> i am planning on using quic (UDP) over multivariate encoding with ericssons code
[14:00:07] <syscall_> do you do all signalling in xmpp?
[14:01:22] <syscall_> sounds good. although instead of DNS I would need some way to manage NAT traversal in some cases
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[14:02:05] <syscall_> a way to name stuff. from ejabberd, is it possible to deploy binaries of ejabberd aot now with BEAM or other VM?
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