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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[05:14:43] <menel> That didn't go well
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[06:32:31] <Licaon_Kter> At least it's not 19.05 lol
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[06:59:28] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: still down?
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[07:07:41] <menel> I've a bot setup that will inform us if it's up again
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[08:12:58] <zoidberg> Im back
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[08:13:43] <marvin-bot> https://status.conversations.im It is there!
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[08:13:44] <zoidberg> I am not Menel bot BTW
[08:14:03] <menel> No, that one was^
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[08:14:17] <zoidberg> me?
[08:14:32] <zoidberg> 😁
[08:14:35] <menel> 😛
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[08:21:48] <Holger> Sorry for all that downtime.
One of the RAID-SSDs died and the OS didn't cope with that on-the-fly.  Seems we killed that drive by writing too much yesterday.
[08:22:31] <menel> !version conversations.im
[08:23:01] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, wasn't _still_ down BTW, died this morging.
[08:23:10] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, wasn't _still_ down BTW, died this morning.
[08:23:15] <menel> > Menel: conversations.im is running ejabberd version 24.02.131-conversations.im on unix/linux 6.1.0
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[08:23:50] <Holger> My !version query last night just got no reply due to Servant being gone.
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[08:28:08] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: what happened this morning?
[08:28:42] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, see above?
> One of the RAID-SSDs died and the OS didn't cope with that on-the-fly.  Seems we killed that drive by writing too much yesterday.
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[08:35:36] <Licaon_Kter> Ah, missed it
Yeah, the old "we did upgrade but the hardware died"
Think its a given, seeing past server upgrades in the XMPP community :(
[08:37:07] <Holger> Yeah, not our first hardware outage either.  Guess that's actually a downside of having your own dedicated physical server vs. some VM.
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[09:18:09] <raver> > Yeah, not our first hardware outage either.  Guess that's actually a downside of having your own dedicated physical server vs. some VM.
Hmm, but in the end the VM is stored on another hard drive as well, which could also die... 😊
[09:18:57] <raver> I love that t shirt which says "There is no cloud, just another one's computer" 😁
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[09:20:15] <Holger> Sure, but VM storage is typically some Netapp or whatever that usually copes a little better with an individual disk failure.
[09:20:52] <Holger> But yes it's not like I'm a VM/cloud apologist, quite the opposite 🙂  There's good reasons for using a dedicated server.
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[09:40:01] <Maranda> Aside less indirection, I don't see all that reasoning in using bare metal setups in 2024 as long as you don't have payloads that are performance and latency critical. Wheter it's hosted in cloud or on premises a virtualization infrastructure, given the necessary redundancy is provided, is more resilient to hardware failures and allows for faster recovers.
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[09:41:46] <bdmuff> These are two different viewpoints - both understandable.
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[09:49:30] <Holger> Maranda: Yes the goal of redundancy is reducing the risk of outage, but the additional complexity adds other risks.  We actually switched from virtualization to hardware due to outages caused by virtualization back then.
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[09:51:45] <Holger> You're probably right that on average, AWS or other large-scale professional k8s/whatever hosting gives you better uptimes than a dedicated server, but I think the trade-offs look different for smaller-scale hosting.
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[09:54:35] <Maranda> Holger beware in this case I'm specifically talking about a virtualization infrastracture on dedicated hardware not something you don't have control about on some cloud provider
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[09:55:38] <Holger> Yes.  I was just talking about our case, we're not large enough to be able to afford that.
[09:56:08] <Holger> But while I'm talking it looks like the next SSD is having trouble so I won't make my arguments too loud right now, sigh.
[09:56:10] <Maranda> 👍
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[10:36:49] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: Daniel mastodon is affected too?
[10:36:55] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: Daniel's mastodon is affected too?
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[10:37:56] <Holger> https://gultsch.social/@daniel/112506011232844595
[10:38:12] <Holger> Oh you mean his instance?  No.
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[10:42:57] <Kris> Hmm, how old were these SSDs? Like ejabberd 18.05 old?
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[13:01:32] <Holger> It's Sunday, hoster's support will gonna take several hours.
[13:01:36] <Licaon_Kter> :(
[13:02:01] <Licaon_Kter> Isn't this like #1 warning, don't upgrade on weekends?
[13:02:44] <Holger> As I said yesterday, whatever you do is wrong 🙂
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[13:02:52] <Licaon_Kter> True
[13:03:53] <Holger> But yes I didn't take into account that software updates have the potential of killing hardware.  Else the weekend timing would've been no problem of course (we do have full IPMI access).
[13:04:07] <jonas’> #hugops
[13:04:21] <jonas’> really bad luck that the RAID1 didn't cope with this on its own
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[13:04:28] <jonas’> normally that should buy you enough time :|
[13:05:38] <Holger> Yeah. Looks like both SSDs died, but not entirely sure.  Might also be motherboard foo, or the new kernel triggering hardware crap the old didn't.
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[13:07:09] <Holger> But I'd still guess it's simply the SSDs.  Otherwise it would be weird that I/O was fine for several hours last night, and still worked a few times for some number of minutes after power cycle today.  And now game over.
[13:08:27] <jonas’> oof
[13:08:32] <jonas’> _both_ SSDs?
[13:08:40] <jonas’> 😬
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[16:11:39] <leke> Does the SSD have a backup? Will all data be lost due to this incident?
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[16:21:03] <Kris> Given the lack of panic on behalf of the admins I would say yes 😆
[16:21:18] <Kris> That they have a backup
[16:22:11] <moparisthebest> > Same model, installed the same time, tends to fail the same time...
This always worries me too
[16:22:24] <moparisthebest> I wish you all the best of luck ❤️
[16:23:45] Kris looks at the hodgpot of various drives accumulated over time in our servers and thinks its gonna be fine 😅
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[16:41:57] <moparisthebest> same...
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[16:47:50] <leke> Can we only wait for the engineers to fix this problem during working days now?
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