Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Sunday, August 11, 2024< ^ >
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Room Configuration
Room Occupants
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[15:40:30] <marc> friedrich.altheide: thanks, it is implemented by using a long timeout on the c2s connection, right
[15:40:34] <marc> friedrich.altheide: thanks, it is implemented by using a long timeout on the c2s connection, right?
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[15:57:13] <Holger> marc: Yes. There's still no standardized alternative.
[15:57:23] <Holger> Siskin uses a custom thing.
[15:57:40] <marc> How reliable is that?
[15:58:04] <Holger> Monal?  I mean it's a hack but it works very well for me.
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[16:00:09] <marc> So would you recommend it to regular users? I have the fear that it is not reliable for normal users and users will be annoyed of XMPP
[16:00:40] <Holger> There's a mod_push_keepalive timeout, IIRC three days by default.  Obviously you won't be notified if you received no messages until then, but that's similar for other apps.  Admins could bump that timeout if they're worried about that case.
[16:01:28] <Holger> > So would you recommend it to regular users? I have the fear that it is not reliable for normal users and users will be annoyed of XMPP
Absolutely, I don't think this is a problem in practice.
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[16:03:00] <marc> > There's a mod_push_keepalive timeout, IIRC three days by default.  Obviously you won't be notified if you received no messages until then, but that's similar for other apps.  Admins could bump that timeout if they're worried about that case.
Really? I would assume that there is no such restriction on WhatsApp or Signal?
[16:03:21] <marc> > There's a mod_push_keepalive timeout, IIRC three days by default.  Obviously you won't be notified if you received no messages until then, but that's similar for other apps.  Admins could bump that timeout if they're worried about that case.
What's the maximum timeout?
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[16:06:00] <Kris> sounds more like a tradeoff between length and resource use.
[16:06:17] <Kris> why would there be a maximum?
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[16:06:48] <Kris> dunno about iOS side restriction though.
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[16:07:05] <Holger> Mobile OSes typically start delaying/dropping notifications for mostly inactive apps after a while, so I think users a used to such behavior.
[16:07:51] <Holger> I think you can set the timeout to `infinity`, but can't check right now.  Otherwise an arbitrarily large number.
[16:09:05] <Holger> The issue with that is that idle sessions eat (a little) server RAM.  Hence it's not the default.
[16:11:24] <marc> So this approach just keeps the client session "open" and needs to keep it in RAM, right? It's the same amount as for connected users, right?
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[16:12:24] <Holger> Yes.
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[16:13:27] <Holger> Obviously not the most elegant solution but I'm not worried enough to be motivated to write a new spec.  Others are working on it though 😃
[16:13:49] <marc> Okay, and since the user is in a MUC even though actually disconnected a push message is sent to the client (as for all clients?)
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[16:14:03] <Holger> Yes.
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[16:14:45] <Holger> MIX would do the trick without the need of a new push spec, BTW.
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[16:14:59] <marc> Okay, got it. Sounds hacky but reliable enough if the timeout is large enough 😊
[16:15:03] <lucas> FWIW, some of my users have tried Monal and never receive muc notifications regardless of that timeout value. They've had better luck with Siskin but still only get notifications after they unlock their phone screen apparently.
[16:16:11] <lucas> I get different complaints from them every month (recently monal apparently wanted DNSSEC?!)
[16:16:40] <marc> Must be a problem with the server or push in general I would assume. Anyway, will test Monal on my own before I recommend it :)
[16:17:39] <Holger> > Must be a problem with the server or push in general I would assume.
Indeed.  It works very reliably for my family.
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[16:26:00] <marc> Holger: why are iOS participants marked as offline in MUC, I would assume they are always online?
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[16:50:51] <Kris> truely offline means disconnected
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