ejabberd - Monday, August 12, 2024

[12:44:56] <MattJ> Really I think neither Monal nor Siskin are "wrong", I think the concept of "online" is just very weird since mobile + push became the way that most people use messaging

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[12:45:38] <MattJ> Most of the problem is in client UX, where clients traditionally make people look unavailable if they are "offline"

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[12:46:51] <Licaon_Kter> > mobile + push became the way that most people *use* messaging
Where *use* is a misnomer as the app is dead and you don't get messages

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[12:53:09] <Kris> I think it's rather the weird expectation of some people that notifications should be delivered immediatly and that people need to react to them immediatly. A message is not a call. when my mobile is in my pocket, I am not online in any practical sense. I might be driving or what ever, but certainly I *don't* want to be called unless it is really urgent

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[12:53:51] <Kris> for me a notification is more or a reminder when I actively check my mobile.

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[12:54:05] <Kris> for me a notification is more of a reminder when I actively check my mobile.

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[12:58:32] <skraw> you may call me a weirdo then, because I really want the confirmation beep from the mobile xmpp-client when I close certain security relevant doors...

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[13:01:03] <Kris> that sound like you are using a messenger for IoT applications. Not exactly a common usecase and a dedicated notification app (that might or might not use xmpp the protocoll under the hood) would be likely the better solution.

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[13:03:07] <skraw> Sometimes one solution for multiple purposes is better in handling than multiple better solutions each for one purpose

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[13:07:39] <skraw> Btw Telegram Bots found heavy use in IoT environment for its easy use... I wish there was a xmpp equivalent

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[13:17:57] <MattJ> What kind of IoT?

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[13:20:37] <marc> > marc: Yes, Monal contacts should appear as online. (Siskin contacts not.)
Yep, the contact used Siskin, so everything makes sense!

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[18:31:24] <j.r> > Btw Telegram Bots found heavy use in IoT environment for its easy use... I wish there was a xmpp equivalent
skraw: I mean writing basic XMPP bots isn't that much more complicated than Telegram bots...

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[18:40:34] <badmuff> > > Btw Telegram Bots found heavy use in IoT environment for its easy use... I wish there was a xmpp equivalent
> skraw: I mean writing basic XMPP bots isn't that much more complicated than Telegram bots...
Each has its strengths and use cases, but they serve fundamentally different roles in the realm of communication.

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[19:13:20] <alacer> >> There's a mod_push_keepalive timeout, IIRC three days by default. Obviously you won't be notified if you received no messages until then, but that's similar for other apps. Admins could bump that timeout if they're worried about that case.
> Really? I would assume that there is no such restriction on WhatsApp or Signal?
Well I have Both Android and IOS with WhatsApp on Both
WhatsApp on Native Android with No Reatriction also checks for messages periodically or randomly once the device is Unlocked. This is in addition to reliable Notifications and Correct Message Retrievel
For the IOS the Notifications are Okish but when WhatsApp is Launched it always tells Connecting... to fetch which is how Apple Enforces Developers
There For Snikket/Siskin and especially Monal It is not that Bad
Nothing compared to *Conversations* Long Polls with Ejabberd or Even Prosody.. This is heaven compared to IOS thingee

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[19:14:17] <alacer> Including Batter use...
Data Use it high for me being in Alot of MUCs

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[19:14:42] <alacer> Same amount of WhatsApp Groups use less Data may be due to FunXMPP etc.

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