ejabberd - Wednesday, April 16, 2025

[09:47:21] <marc0s> hi, is there any option that I can't find in the docs that would auto-subscribe users joining a MUC to its MucSub events or did I dreamt of it? 😅
[09:47:47] <prefiks> i don't think there is anything like that

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[09:51:30] <Kris> What would that be used for?

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[09:53:53] <marc0s> we have some deployments that are 99% mobile with some old xmpp libs that, let's just say, we can't bring them up to date; so we cannot add support for MucSub right now. And we need MUC push notifications... When the resume timeout expires we're left without MUC pushes. That's more or less our current situation.

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[10:02:51] <badlop> there's a join_room event, you can write a small ejabberd module that adds a hook there, which simply subscribes to "default_subscriptions" option

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[10:07:46] <marc0s> > there's a join_room event, you can write a small ejabberd module that adds a hook there, which simply subscribes to "default_subscriptions" option
that would be an option, yes. Thanks for the suggestion :)

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[12:17:43] <zoidberg> I have a silly question about the logs, when they reach the 10 MB ejabberd then creates a file names ejabberd.log.0, then ejabberd.log.1 and so on... is the ejabberd.log.0 always the fresh one?(excluding the ejabberd.log).

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[12:18:42] <zoidberg> Meaning that whenever a new log reachs the 10MB will the current ejabberd.log.0 be renamed to ejabberd.log.1 so that a new file can be created as the ejabberd.log.0?

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[13:02:21] <marc0s> > there's a join_room event, you can write a small ejabberd module that adds a hook there, which simply subscribes to "default_subscriptions" option
is join_room run from the base host (example.org) or from the muc one (conference.example.org)? I mean, which host should I add the hook to?

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[13:29:15] <prefiks> zoidberg: yes, .log, .log.0, log.1
[13:30:44] <prefiks> marc0s: base hostname, hooks always use those

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[13:53:23] <qbit> Apr 16 07:48:03 h ejabberdctl[381119]: 2025-04-16 07:48:03.579437-06:00 [warning] Description: "Server authenticity is not verified since certificate path validation is not enabled"
Apr 16 07:48:03 h ejabberdctl[381119]: Reason: "The option {verify, verify_peer} and one of the options 'cacertfile' or 'cacerts' are required to enable this."

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[13:53:46] <qbit> I am not sure what module wants that.. s2s?

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[13:56:02] <qbit> I don't see "cacerts" as an option in the module options..
[13:56:03] <qbit> hm

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[13:56:07] <prefiks> i don't think so, most of those stuff is using different tls stack,

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[13:56:37] <prefiks> it's probably something doing client connection to remote server, maybe http auth module?

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[13:57:07] <qbit> the lines before / after it make me think it's mod_matrix_gw

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[13:57:59] <prefiks> could be, will take a look

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[14:01:55] <qbit> attempted to add myself to a matrix room, it seems to have half worked - i see messages from each person in the matrox room come in to the xmpp side as a dm .. maybe I don't have muc on my server working properly though?

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[14:13:37] <qbit> oh, maybe that's because I didn't join via xmpp.. i invited from the matrix side

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[14:18:29] <Kris> Didn't the release notes explicitly say that matrix side invites should work?

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[14:18:55] <qbit> i was reading: https://www.process-one.net/blog/hello-from-the-other-side-matrix-xmpp-via-ejabberd-25-03/ fwiw

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[14:25:00] <Adrien> Hi @qbit, well it should work from both sides. This blogpost shows actions from a "xmpp main character", but I've also been able to do it the other way around ($MatrixUser inviting $xmppUser to a public Matrix room).

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[14:26:38] <qbit> hm, ok
[14:26:46] <qbit> maybe I have something misconfigured then
[14:27:24] <qbit> trying to join #nocrypto%tapenet.org@segfault.rodeo worked, but it doesn't seem to be bridging my messages to the matrix side

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[14:31:37] <qbit> hm, i should probably try a new room.. that one might be in a weird state

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[14:35:11] <qbit> oh, messages sent via a #%@ room show "service-unavailable"
[14:35:16] <Adrien> Don't mind the french nonsense, but here's how I did it: https://static.process-one.net/share/invite-xmpp-user-from-matrix-room.mkv

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[14:37:34] <qbit> so, when I invite the user, they are added to the room as expected
[14:37:40] <qbit> but I don't see an invite on the xmpp side
[14:37:59] <qbit> and when sending a matrix message i git a 1-1 from the user that sent the matrix message

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[14:40:41] <qbit> and if another user chats it also opens a direct message

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[15:35:22] <qbit> > Don't mind the french nonsense, but here's how I did it: https://static.process-one.net/share/invite-xmpp-user-from-matrix-room.mkv
is your config file available anywhere? maybe I am missing some other module?

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[16:47:03] <qbit> hm, one thing that's funky with my setup is that I am using "matrix.segfault.rodeo" for the matrix server
[16:47:15] <qbit> federation checker shows "OK" for that domain

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[16:51:36] <Adrien> Will try to share it
[16:51:45] <Adrien> (btw are you blocking their xmpp domain with iptables?)

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[16:52:07] <qbit> negative, the matrix server is on the same machine as ejabberd (i run both)

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[16:56:47] <Adrien> Config (with the important stuff) : https://privatebin.net/?723702ce29be8d74#GLft66Nrf1w3oZxEopa465WCeSeVeKjGZYKb7cH1PxGo

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[16:58:49] <qbit> so your matrix domain name is the the same as your xmpp server?

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[17:00:52] <Kris> Hmm, if your matrix server runs on the same machine how do you manage the 8448 s2s port?

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[17:06:18] <qbit> synapse isn't listening on 8448

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[17:07:21] <Kris> By default it is. But ok if you configured yours differently then it should work.

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[19:56:14] <Kris> Adrien, is it possible to do the same as with Synapse to have the s2s exposed on port 443?

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[19:56:22] <Kris> for the matrix gateway?

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[21:03:42] <Kris> 25.04 not yet in the RPM repos?

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[21:28:20] <Kris> > Adrien, is it possible to do the same as with Synapse to have the s2s exposed on port 443?
as it is mentioned in the earlier blogpost

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[21:40:15] <Adrien> I'm not sure about it, will ask the team about it tomorrow :) (or if you're lucky and find @aleksey around)

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[21:42:51] <Adrien> > 25.04 not yet in the RPM repos?
Ah right it released, one moment

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[22:18:48] <Kris> > I'm not sure about it, will ask the team about it tomorrow :) (or if you're lucky and find @aleksey around)
I figured that part about the matrix gateway out already, seems easy with a Nginx location for .well-known
[22:20:32] <Adrien> (again fighting with rpm signing, hopefully in the next minutes we'll be done :p)

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[23:00:51] <Adrien> Alright rpm/deb packages for 25.04 should be available as of now, just tested in debian12/centos8.

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[23:03:23] <Kris> great
[23:03:44] <Kris> is it possible that mod_matrix_gw does not work well with multiple vhosts?

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[23:04:35] <Kris> I only enabled it for one, and now ejabberd shows a crash of the http handler for another vhost because mod_matrix_gw isn't loaded there

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[23:06:25] <Kris> it happens when I try to use the matrix federation tester
[23:06:30] <Kris> which fails

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[23:07:37] <Kris> `[error] HTTP handler crashed: exception error: {module_not_loaded,mod_matrix_gw,<<"example.org">>}`

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[23:08:11] <Kris> where example.org is a the first vhost configured, but without the mod_matrix_gw enabled

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[23:08:37] <Kris> I only enabled it for another vhost but that doesn't seem to get recognized
[23:09:05] <Kris> should I open an issue?

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[23:20:46] <Kris> also wenn I navigate to https://example.com:8448/_matrix it only shows a 404 from the ejabberd http module
[23:21:14] <Kris> is that normal?

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[23:28:45] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > also wenn I navigate to https://example.com:8448/_matrix it only shows a 404 from the ejabberd http module
i mean that alone is not a valid path of the matrix s2s api, it would return 404 on a normal matrix server too

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[23:29:20] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> https://downloadable.pain.agency/file_share/068003d5-01a2-7348-a336-50261cd7cbc5/5415dba4-fb44-4819-99c1-7b8e3ce6a16a.png

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[23:30:32] <Kris> that's a json respone
[23:30:45] <Kris> not a 404 from the ejabberd built in webserver
[23:31:05] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> i guess maybe, but that endpoint doesnt need to work. hit one of the actual endpoints for testing maybe

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[23:31:28] <Kris> any example?
[23:31:41] <Kris> I am not that familiar with the matrix s2s stuff
[23:31:46] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> the server has to accept invite requests for dms right?

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[23:32:07] <Kris> no idea, bit it should still respond something
[23:32:26] <Kris> right now the federation tester gives me "Non-200 response 502 from remote server"
[23:32:31] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> you could also try resolve the well known

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[23:33:01] <Kris> the .well-known works because I am injecting that with a reverse-proxy 😅

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[23:33:27] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> /.well-known/matrix/server should also be emitted by any compliant server

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[23:33:46] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> if you wanna give me a domain i can try hit it with other debugging tools available on matrix
[23:33:54] <Kris> maybe, but since I am injecting that I can't use that to test
[23:34:06] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > maybe, but since I am injecting that I can't use that to test
you cant test it on localhost?
[23:34:15] <Kris> hmm, maybe
[23:34:44] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> also typically you only inject it if youre delegating to another domain, otherwise theres no reason to

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[23:35:47] <Kris> locally it returns the same webserver 404
[23:36:15] <Kris> > also typically you only inject it if youre delegating to another domain, otherwise theres no reason to
I am doing that to change the port, but I know that that is working so I didn't mention that
[23:36:57] <Kris> I am pretty sure the issue is related to multiple vhosts and mod_matrix_gw apparently only working with the first one
[23:37:21] <Kris> otherwise there wouldn't be the crash in the ejabberd log referencing the wrong vhost domain
[23:37:46] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > I am doing that to change the port, but I know that that is working so I didn't mention that
the way youre meant to handle that in matrix land is to reverse proxy the https

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[23:38:10] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> generally the advice on matrix is you should never have your matrix server be doing the tls termination\
[23:38:22] <Kris> yes that is what I am doing.
[23:38:49] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> then you shouldnt need domain delegation? unless youre using a subdomain, but it still has to respond to well known on that subdomain too

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[23:39:02] <Kris> but you still need the .well-known file if you don't want to serve s2s on port 8448
[23:39:34] <Kris> I am not doing domain delegation, only telling other matrix servers with port to use
[23:39:42] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> i.e. i delegate pain.agency to matrix.pain.agency but both have the same well known file (the one not injected by caddy is down since my matrix is dead)

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[23:39:54] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > but you still need the .well-known file if you don't want to serve s2s on port 8448
why are you serving on 8448 instead of 443 and reverse proxying?

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[23:40:10] <Kris> but again that is working, the federation tester recognized that correctly and I do the same with my Synapse server

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[23:40:20] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> for what its worth specifying that port techincally should work but probably wont and ive seen people on matrix run into the same issue
[23:40:49] <Kris> I am not... I am serving on 443, but that is not the default for matrix s2s, hence I need the .well-known
[23:41:15] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> 443.... is default for all https traffic including matrix?
[23:41:19] <Kris> look, I know that this part is working and not the issue. 100%
[23:41:27] <Kris> no, not for s2s
[23:41:34] <Kris> for s2s the default is 8448

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[23:42:14] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> im pretty sure not, but either way its pretty much a given you need a well known, which the server should be serving itself. unless youre delegating you just reverse proxy the one by the wellknown

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[23:42:31] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> my server doesnt have 8448 open, just caddy with the endpoints going in the needed directions

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[23:43:05] <Kris> well I just confirmed that my ejabberd itself is not serving that .well-known file. but that might be just a lack of the module
[23:43:28] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > look, I know that this part is working and not the issue. 100%
502 is a reverse proxy error usually. im trying to figure out what its trying to hit
[23:43:48] <Kris> > my server doesnt have 8448 open, just caddy with the endpoints going in the needed directions
maybe matrix servers are smart enough to try 443 as the fallback, but that is not standard behaviour

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[23:44:33] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > maybe matrix servers are smart enough to try 443 as the fallback, but that is not standard behaviour
no one i know ever has 8448 open. thats just what synapse and whatnot default to listening on, and you reverse proxy that to be available on 443
[23:44:48] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> unlike xmpp, matrix is completely unreliant on ports, its just https urls

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[23:45:09] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> like it just passes the url it knows to the http server and calls the endpoint
[23:45:16] <Kris> sorry, but you are wrong. initial synapse versions needed port 8448 open
[23:45:30] <Kris> and relied on a self signed cert for that

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[23:46:07] <Kris> I have been running Synapse long enough to remember that

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[23:46:29] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> alright. my bad, i was trying to be helpful

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[23:46:58] <Kris> yes that is apprechiated, but as I said that part isn't the issue, which is why I didn't even mention it

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[23:48:25] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> if you already have synapse, why not just use that and if needbe a bridge?

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[23:49:07] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> iirc slidge supports matrix, and synapse is only heavy when youre joining public rooms (something i understand ejabberd matrix support cant do)

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[23:55:29] <Kris> That synapse is only for a IRC bridge I use in production. And anyways I want to see how this ejabberd built in bridge works
[23:55:57] <Kris> the Slidge matrix bridge is apparently very heavy on system resources.

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