ejabberd - Wednesday, June 4, 2025

[12:00:37] <erebion> Does ejabberd automatically delete the old messages after 240 days if I have set cache_life_time: 240d or will I have to do that manually using the API? The docs mention the API, but not whether I will have to use it.

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[12:03:00] <Holger> erebion, which old messages?

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[12:03:03] <erebion> Also: use_cache -> "Same as top-level use_cache option" -> top level option: "Enable or disable cache."
You don't say. But what cache? How does it interact with other things? Do I need that for cache_life_time? WIll ejabberd delete old messages or not if it is enabled or disabled?

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[12:04:31] <erebion> Everything older than 240 days, of course
[12:04:36] <Holger> Caching is just what it says, (in-memory) caching of data with the goal of improving performance at the cost of additional RAM-usage. Other than that, it's not user/admin-visible.
[12:04:41] <erebion> I want to take care that my HDD does not fill up
[12:05:05] <Holger> So I guess you're talking about MAM messages stored in SQL?
[12:05:12] <erebion> Then caching is not what I am loooking for 🤔
[12:05:12] <Holger> And/or HTTP-uploaded files?
[12:05:14] <erebion> yup
[12:05:16] <erebion> yup

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[12:05:44] <erebion> What I want to do is delete old messages after 240 days and uploads after a week.
[12:06:03] <Holger> Files can either be deleted manually (with `find … -delete` or whatever) or by using `mod_http_upload_quota`'s `max_days` option.

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[12:06:44] <erebion> That's easy then.
[12:06:49] <erebion> But what about messages?

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[12:07:17] <Holger> MAM messages can be deleted using e.g. `ejabberdctl delete_old_mam_messages all 240`.
[12:07:59] <Holger> Both would be triggered by Cron or a systemd timer or whatever.

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[12:09:38] <erebion> No built-in thing using a module? :o

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[12:10:01] <Holger> ```
# /etc/systemd/system/ejabberd-expiry.service
[Unit]
Description=Expire old MAM messages
[Service]
Type=oneshot
User=ejabberd
Group=ejabberd
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/ejabberdctl delete_old_mam_messages all 240
PrivateDevices=true
PrivateTmp=true
ProtectHome=true
ProtectSystem=full
```
```
# /etc/systemd/system/ejabberd-expiry.timer
[Unit]
Description=Timer for MAM message expiry service
[Timer]
OnCalendar=*-*-* 04:30:00
[Install]
WantedBy=timers.target
```
```
modules:
mod_http_upload_quota:
max_days: 240
```

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[12:10:41] <Holger> erebion, well ejabberd-contrib has a `mod_cron`: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_cron
[12:10:55] <Holger> Other that that, no. (And I never tried that one.)

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[12:11:18] <erebion> Huh, I thought there'd be a built-in way, by just enabling that using an option. :D

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[12:11:19] <erebion> Thanks :D

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[12:12:29] <erebion> Docs for mod_cron say:
Use the option command and provide arguments in the correct format:
command: delete_old_mam_messages
arguments:
- "all"
- 0
Where would I place that?

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[12:13:06] <erebion> never mind, found it

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[12:20:33] <erebion> Still struggling a bit finding the right syntax.
Is this the right syntax?
  mod_cron:
    tasks:
      - time: 20
        units: seconds
        module: mod_mam
        function: delete_old_messages
        arguments:
          - days: 240

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[12:21:23] <erebion> Jun 04 12:21:01 erebion.eu sh[2233249]: 2025-06-04 12:21:01.047850+00:00 [error] Error in scheduled task mod_mam:delete_old_messages[[{days,240}]]:
Jun 04 12:21:01 erebion.eu sh[2233249]: {undef,[{mod_mam,delete_old_messages,[[{days,240}]],[]},
Jun 04 12:21:01 erebion.eu sh[2233249]:         {mod_cron,run_task,3,
Jun 04 12:21:01 erebion.eu sh[2233249]:                   [{file,"/var/lib/ejabberd/.ejabberd-modules/sources/ejabberd-contrib/mod_cron/src/mod_cron.erl"},
Jun 04 12:21:01 erebion.eu sh[2233249]:                    {line,226}]}]}
Does not seem right. :/

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[12:25:53] <erebion> Also not:
arguments:
- '{"days": 240}'

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[12:29:54] <erebion>         arguments:
          - days
          - 240
No errors yet, maybe this is the correct syntax 🤔

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[12:31:20] <Holger> erebion: The mod_mam:delete_old_messages/2 function expects two arguments, the first one is chat|groupchat|all (for the type of messages to delete), the second the number of days.

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[12:32:32] <Holger> So I'd expect your configuration to fail when the function is actually called.

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[12:33:21] <erebion> Is that documented anywhere? Cause I cannot find anything about that :/
[12:33:31] <erebion> Thanks for the help :)
[12:33:50] <Holger> erebion: `ejabberdctl help delete_old_mam_messages`

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[12:34:41] <erebion> Oh, so that's where I can find it, was looking on the website

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[12:35:04] <Holger> If you use mod_cron to call internal functions you obviously can't expect documentation, and in theory it could break on ejabberd upgrade. In this case it happens to be the function called by ejabberdctl.

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[12:35:55] <erebion> "called by ejabberdctl"? So it does delete old messages on its own?
[12:35:59] <Holger> erebion: https://docs.ejabberd.im/developer/ejabberd-api/admin-api/#delete_old_mam_messages :-)
[12:36:04] <erebion> I thought it doesn't..?
[12:36:23] <erebion> > erebion: https://docs.ejabberd.im/developer/ejabberd-api/admin-api/#delete_old_mam_messages :-)
Yeah, was confusing it with delete_old_messages

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[12:37:03] <Holger> erebion: `ejabberdctl delete_old_mam_messages all 240` calls the mod_mam:delete_old_messages/2 function that you're trying to call directly from mod_cron.
[12:37:25] <Holger> The ejabberdctl command is documented. The internal function isn't.

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