ejabberd - Thursday, June 5, 2025

[10:41:19] <nigel_> heh yes, the blog post has the Explicit routing the wrong way around, unless I am misreading it.
Gateway works anyway, which is neat I guess.

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[13:55:12] <Holger> nigel_: I _seem_ to remember that topic coming up in the past and the docs being fixed in response. (But I don't use Matrix myself and am clueless.)

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[13:56:20] <Holger> https://github.com/processone/docs.ejabberd.im/commit/57ae13bf40ed
[13:57:13] <Holger> How come people suddenly request logging to the Journal despite ejabberd doing just that by default?

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[13:58:46] <Adrien> > hmm, mod_matrix_gw blog post contradicts documentation regarding matrix_id_as_jid
> https://www.process-one.net/blog/matrix-gateway-setup-with-ejabberd/
> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_matrix_gw
Oh? Trying to find what to change, I can edit the post. Thanks for finding this

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[14:16:58] <stefan_> Hello, I have a problem with mod_pubsub_serverinfo. Installation has worked so far, there are no more errors in the log, but on the website xmppnetwork... I don't show up. no idea why... can anyone help?

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[14:18:35] <zeank> When did you last update the module? I’ve introduced a bug that got published two days ago and got fixed today.

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[14:20:42] <zeank> You could verify by doing a disco query against your server and check for the server-info feature. If there’s some bogus information in there, then you’re affected.

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[14:32:43] <zeank> stefan_: 👆

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[14:32:50] <Adrien> > heh yes, the blog post has the Explicit routing the wrong way around, unless I am misreading it.
> Gateway works anyway, which is neat I guess.
Updated the blogpost #Routing section, thanks for pointing it out. Hopefully it's clearer and more accurate now.

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[14:51:01] <stefan_> zeank, thank you, i think i have the corrected version. A circle is there now, but the lines to other servers are still missing.

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[14:53:25] <Holger> zeank, FWIW now I got curious, installed (the current version of) the module myself and am at the same point (with messaging.one) 😀
[14:53:27] <Holger> Looking now.

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[14:53:34] <zeank> Did you restart or do a stop_s2s_connections?
[14:54:18] <Holger> Guus did throw an error message at me: "Domain added, but unable to subscribe to pub/sub service. Check if a DNS record needs to be added. Check if the pub/sub domain is covered by the TLS certificate."

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[14:54:43] <zeank> My server after the update earlier today: https://xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/?focus=jwchat.org&search=Search

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[14:54:47] <Holger> But due to the "Domain added" part, I'm not sure how to re-trigger another subscription request.

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[14:55:09] <Holger> Yes the module is most probably fine.

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[14:55:39] <Holger> (Does Guus actually insist on a proper cert?)

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[14:56:40] <zeank> I guess so

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[14:57:47] <Holger> Ok. Well mine is fine, just would've guessed the PubSub subdomain may well be missing elsewhere.
[14:57:52] <zeank> There’s a dedicated channel btw xmpp:xmppnetworkgraph@conference.igniterealtime.org?join

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[14:58:32] <Holger> Yes, next problem is that igniterealtime.org currently doesn't talk to my server 😂️
[14:58:38] <Holger> (But I could use another account of course.)

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[15:00:05] <stefan_> >Did you restart or do a stop_s2s_connections?
yes.
[15:00:05] <Doofus Canadensis> currently doesn't talk?

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[15:01:08] <Holger> Some weird connection issue Guus & me didn't track down yet.
[15:01:16] <Doofus Canadensis> ah

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[15:01:32] <zeank> stefan_: still no connections visible after a refresh?

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[15:02:23] <stefan_> still no connections.
[15:02:56] <Doofus Canadensis> I might do some debugging in the matrix_gw
[15:03:02] <zeank> stefan_: could you dm me your domain (if you don’t want to share it in public)?
[15:03:02] <zoidberg> stefan_: not all servers will show up their names, only the ones that want to.

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[15:03:34] <stefan_> but at least there should be empty circles?
[15:03:43] <Doofus Canadensis> gateway seems to connect to matrix.org just fine, but gives me unknown host for my own domain

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[15:06:41] <zoidberg> > but at least there should be empty circles?
Yes

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[15:07:03] <Doofus Canadensis> "seems to" because actually having a conversation between xmpp and matrix still hasn't happened

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[15:07:27] <Holger> zeank, as stefan_ told me he ran into the same error message on Registration.

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[15:07:43] <Holger> So to me it looks very similar to the messaging.one case.

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[15:08:13] <Holger> And my problem remains "how to trigger the xmppnetwork service to retry registration".

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[15:08:33] <Holger> (And Guus is busy right now.)

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[15:09:29] <zoidberg> When i tested this in the past i was instructed to just wait.(but maybe Guus was triggering a retry on his side)

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[15:09:37] <Holger> Ah.

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[15:10:24] <Holger> I wonder why he adds the server despite failing to register …
[15:10:32] <Holger> I wonder why he adds the server despite failing to subscribe …

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[15:22:21] <Holger> Yay, <https://xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/?focus=messaging.one>.
[15:23:04] <zoidberg> working?

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[15:24:07] <Holger> Seems I'm talking to zeank, that's good enough!

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[15:24:28] <zeank> Same result for stefan_'s domain(s) - they both have a connection to my server now

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[15:24:48] <zoidberg> What was the problem?
[15:24:53] <zoidberg> I mean
[15:25:08] <zoidberg> In case other people need

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[15:25:48] <Holger> zeank, then again that may well have been reported by _your_ server. And the fact that our domains are published might be just because they were added on the web site?
[15:25:55] <Holger> zeank, then again that may well have been reported by _your_ server? And the fact that our domains are published might be just because they were added on the web site?

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[15:26:11] <zeank> I'm still investigating...

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[15:28:01] <zeank> Nah, both your servers are reporting plenty of connections now
[15:28:25] <zeank> Might just be that the site is lagging a bit

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[15:28:32] <Holger> Yes but … will Guus ever notice 😀

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[15:31:20] <Holger> No subsriptions to my `serverinfo` node.

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[15:31:34] <zeank> hm
[15:31:57] <zeank> I could subscribe from my server, but I unsubscribed again

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[15:33:23] <zeank> And your disco-info looks correct too: <field
[15:33:25] <zeank> var="serverinfo-pubsub-node"><value>xmpp:pubsub.messaging.one?;node=serverinfo</value></field

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[15:34:36] <Holger> Yup.

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[15:34:45] <Holger> I'd still believe the question is how to trigger xmppnetwork to retry. But maybe it will just auto-retry after some interval and waiting will do the trick.
[15:35:42] <zeank> I think so too, I've seen that with my server that it just took a while and then once of a sudden things started to pop up

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[15:36:38] <Holger> Yes I see.
[15:36:51] <Holger> xmppnetwork does permanently subscribe the node, right?

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[15:37:44] <zeank> I think so...
[15:37:53] <zeank> I don't really know what it does

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[15:41:58] <Holger> `select subscriptions from pubsub_state where nodeid in (select nodeid from pubsub_node where node='serverinfo');`
[15:42:08] <Holger> … should spit out any subscriptions.

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[15:42:30] <zeank> afk, gotta go and get some beers, before they close for the weekend. how would I ramble drunk on the internet then?

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[15:42:48] <zoidberg> Close for the weekend?
[15:42:58] <Holger> zeank, OMG yes!
[15:43:17] <Holger> zeank, thanks for your help!
[15:43:24] <Holger> 🍻️
[15:43:31] <stefan_> Yes thank you

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[15:43:45] <zoidberg> A guy that sells alcohol and close for the weekend is doomed.
[15:44:01] <zeank> that guy would be all of Sweden ;)

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[15:44:28] <Holger> Was going to say: I think where zeank lives, a guy that sells alcohol ends up being rich no matter what.
[15:44:37] <Holger> Was going to say: I think where zeank lives, a guy who sells alcohol ends up being rich no matter what.

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[15:45:51] <zeank> pfh

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[15:46:29] <zeank> bit unexpected:
```xml
<iq id="test" type="error" to="zeank@jwchat.org/profanity.gLXw" lang="en" from="pubsub.jwchat.org"><pubsub xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub#owner"><subscriptions
node="serverinfo"/></pubsub><error type="auth"><forbidden xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas"/><text xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas" lang="en">Owner privileges
required</text></error></iq>
```

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[15:48:21] <Holger> zeank, you would've expected zeank@ to be a global admin or something?
[15:48:45] <Holger> edhelas was asking for such a thing just a few days ago.
[15:48:45] <zeank> yeah...

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[15:49:13] <zeank> anyway, I have xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/networkinfocrawler in my subscriptions as it seems according to your sql query from above
[15:49:20] <zeank> and now I really gotta go :D
[15:49:23] <Holger> I.e. being able to configure admins to delete all crap on Movim instances via XMPP.
[15:49:41] <Holger> zeank, yes go get your beers!
[15:49:47] <Holger> (11 minutes? 😀)

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[15:53:57] <zeank> Nah, they close at 19.00. But it's a 15 minutes bike ride.

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[15:55:08] <Holger> Oh you're much better organized than me then. I wouldn't have considered leaving the house before 18.46.

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[15:57:00] <zeank> I'm hungry and doing pizza again ... if I wait until then I'd starve until it's time for dinner

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[15:57:45] <Holger> I see the problem.

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[16:27:57] <zeank> Also. When I’m at the computer solving problems, I lose all sense of space and time. I just had a vague sense I need to get going. Only when you said you’d leave much later I realized I had plenty of time. 😅

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[16:50:22] <rom1dep> Hey there, have you ever had the case of 2 devices running the current latest Conversations, A can call B, no problem whatsoever, but when B attempts to call A, B instantly gets a call termination "Busy" while the device A keeps ringing (with error "unable to connect" when eventually picking up)

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[16:55:09] <zoidberg> rom1dep: sometimes the calls take different route. Maybe your stun is working but your turn is not?
[16:55:34] <zoidberg> you are using ejabberd built in eturnal?

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[16:56:15] <zoidberg> maybe try looking for the eturnal logs somewhere there.

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[16:56:28] <rom1dep> > you are using ejabberd built in eturnal?
yes
[16:56:50] <rom1dep> The two devices are within the same WiFi network

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[16:57:00] <zeank> Holger: now it's showing some more nodes: https://xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/?focus=messaging.one - did you do anything or did it just happen on its own?
[16:57:04] <zoidberg> Check for something like this: this is an example of a successful TURN call being relayed:
[notice] Relayed 969865 KiB (in 552025370 B / 604157 packets, out 441115885 B / 514257 packets)

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[16:57:17] <zoidberg> Ahh

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[16:57:39] <zoidberg> If both devices are on the same network, then its not even using stun or turn
[16:57:39] <Holger> zeank, was going to report just now:
```
ejabberd=> select jid from pubsub_state where nodeid in (select nodeid from pubsub_node where node='serverinfo') and subscriptions != '';
jid
---------------------------------------------
xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/networkinfocrawler
```

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[16:58:30] <Holger> So waiting did the trick indeed. Haven't done nothing else.

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[16:58:37] <zeank> great!

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[17:00:17] <Holger> zeank, does the module support reporting to Guus only for one of multiple virtual domains?
[17:00:19] <zoidberg> rom1dep: maybe use adb and see what conversations logs say whenever there is a call that doesnt connect. For clues.

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[17:01:37] <rom1dep> I'll have to get to that later, thanks for the pointers zoidberg

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[17:02:04] <zeank> Holger: it's active for all vhosts if it's in the general modules sections of your ejabberd.yml

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[17:03:11] <Holger> zeank: Sure but does moving it to a host-specific configuration suppress reporting for the other hosts?

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[17:03:50] <Holger> Could check, but asking on the Internet is so much easier!

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[17:04:14] <zeank> Oh, sorry, misread ... I haven't tested but I'm quite certain it does

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[17:04:45] <zeank> It's the standard gen_mod interface ... and start is called on a per host basis

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[17:06:14] <Holger> Ok, without checking the code I was unsure whether s2s data might just be queried globally.

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[17:07:37] <zeank> No, compare the result for x-berg.de and jwchat.org - both vhosts on the same server

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[17:09:01] <zeank> it doesn't query, it registers hooks for each vhost and counts incoming and outgoing connections on its own
[17:09:31] <zeank> s/count/collect/

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[17:12:11] <Holger> zeank, yes I see it now, and those hooks (s2s_in/out_auth_result) are actually called per-domain (that's the part I was unsure about). All fine then. Thanks!

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[18:45:39] <nigel_> > Oh? Trying to find what to change, I can edit the post. Thanks for finding this
Thanks, will test and confirm laterthis evening (is 6:45am here about to head to work)

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[18:53:01] <nigel_> Just reading, they still conflict.
_Docs:_ When set to false, messages must be explicitly sent to the matrix gateway service Jabber ID to be routed to a remote Matrix server.
_Blog:_ matrix_id_as_jid: false (default) → enables implicit fallback to Matrix when XMPP s2s fails.
Will test tonight which of true/false actually works which way.

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[19:17:12] <marko.cupac> I had to move my setup where I had both ejabberd and turnserver directly on public IPv4s to one where ejabberd is on private IPv4, accessible by means of redirection on firewall, and turnserver directly on firewall. Stun/turn tests (trickle ice, icetest.info) seem fine, but calls between two external callers don't work. Calls between internal and external callers work. Any Ideas where to look?

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[19:23:56] <nigel_> Adrien, did quick test and changed settings; the blog is incorrect. Testing gives me the following::
true allows fallback, eg it uses the jid entered as the matrix id.
false mean you have to explicitly send to the gateway. so by default it does not then.
Which lines up with the docs.

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[20:17:50] neox did successfully setup a matrix gateway on chalec.org, following the docs

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[20:29:51] <nigel_> > neox did successfully setup a matrix gateway on chalec.org, following the docs
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[21:50:12] <Doofus Canadensis> neox: happen to know what matrix server software you're connecting to?

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[21:51:02] <neox> Doofus Canadensis: I tested with two servers, one is matrix.org

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[21:52:02] <neox> > Adrien, did quick test and changed settings; the blog is incorrect. Testing gives me the following::
> true allows fallback, eg it uses the jid entered as the matrix id.
> false mean you have to explicitly send to the gateway. so by default it does not then.
>
> Which lines up with the docs.
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[21:56:37] <Doofus Canadensis> my test right now, has one matrix.org (synapse) and my personal one (conduwuit)
[21:57:09] <Doofus Canadensis> I've managed to get "me@matrix is typing a message..." when I tried to reply to the greeting I sent to myself
[21:57:12] <Doofus Canadensis> but that's it

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[21:57:49] <Doofus Canadensis> I apparently have two DM rooms on matrix from this account, but haven't managed to get any kind of response from there

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[22:03:03] <Doofus Canadensis> oof, I have 11 DMs on my conduwuit server now

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[22:05:36] <erebion> It's still a bit buggy
[22:06:09] <erebion> DMs have not worked well for me, but it works for public rooms. I've opened two issues for things that did not work well.

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[22:06:18] <erebion> One was ejabberd sending empty messages to Matrix rooms.
[22:06:51] <Doofus Canadensis> I was trying DMs before I tried joining a public room
[22:07:00] <erebion> Matrix bridges would then respond with something along the lines of "Help! I'm broken, I cannot bridge this empty message! What am I supposed to do?!"

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[22:07:30] <Doofus Canadensis> yeah, most of these invites are empty
[22:07:40] <erebion> But ejabberd keeps repeating the join to the room, flooding the room with state events, causing people get slow performance in rooms.

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[22:08:00] <erebion> Other than that, it works pretty well already.
[22:08:15] <Doofus Canadensis> that'll suck

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[22:09:00] <erebion> But I see there's already working going on to fix that

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[22:09:10] <erebion> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4386
[22:09:14] <erebion> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4385

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[22:09:37] <erebion> So... I've set it up and will only use it once those two issues are solved

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[22:10:28] <erebion> Here I've listed the few things that I'd like to see added/fixed to become a full replacement of my Synapse server, for my use-case: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4378
[22:10:33] <erebion> It's not that much

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[22:11:13] <Doofus Canadensis> I'll look at these and see if I can noodle out why mine isn't connecting properly

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[22:11:31] <erebion> Tried the Matrix federation tester?
[22:11:45] <erebion> https://federationtester.matrix.org/

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[22:12:01] <Doofus Canadensis> yes
[22:12:26] <erebion> I have invites disabled on my Matrix server, but could contact you and look at my logs.

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[22:12:48] <Doofus Canadensis> https://federationtester.matrix.org/#matrix.xmpp.troublemaker.dev checks out
[22:12:49] <erebion> I can try that from both Synapse and ejabberd

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[22:15:37] <Doofus Canadensis> room join might be client specific, eh?
[22:15:54] <erebion> What do you mean?

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[22:16:43] <Doofus Canadensis> profanity doesn't say anything when I try joining a matrix room... monal for iOS (well, macOS) tried to connect as a contact, not a room

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[22:20:41] <erebion> Huh
[22:20:47] <erebion> I don't know

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[22:21:47] <Doofus Canadensis> oh, I just got a different response by dropping the # from the room name... timed out, but at least it seemed to be recognized as a groupchat

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[22:22:57] <Doofus Canadensis> might try some different clients to see if any can give me detailed reports when contact fails

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[22:28:26] <nigel_> > But I see there's already working going on to fix that
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