ejabberd - Friday, June 6, 2025

[05:07:28] <zoidberg> So just to make it short:
1 check your logs
2 did you port forward all the ports(including the range)
3 is some rare cases it also helps to specify which interface the TURN server should listen too

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[05:10:17] <zoidberg> Also, did you configure ejabberd with the necessary parameters, so that when clients attempt to call ejabberd will give them the credentials to the TURN server?

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[05:15:05] <zoidberg> like this:   mod_stun_disco:
    secret: passwordgoeshere
    services:
        -
          host: turnserver.com
          port: 5380
          type: turn
          transport: udp
          restricted: true
        -
          host: turnserver.com
          port: 7452
          type: stun
          transport: udp
          restricted: false

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[05:22:10] <zoidberg> If you have a static IP you can replace the "turnserver.com" with your IP.

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[07:51:44] <marko.cupac> zoidberg: thanks for all the instructions. I am pretty confident the networking (redirections etc) are done fine. Coturn's log says `session closed (2nd stage) reason: allocation timeout`. I don't see anything interesting in ejabberd's log except `offering STUN/TURN services to ...`.

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[07:53:37] <zoidberg> UDP range open?
[07:53:47] <zoidberg> Relay IP set?

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[07:56:36] <zoidberg> I guess you did right? Because otherwise the server would not even attempt the turn call right?(not sure)
[07:56:38] <marko.cupac> Yes, both udp and tcp. Relay and Listen IP is external firewall interface (public IP address), accessible from both internal lan (ejabberd) and external hosts (Internet). When I tried to listen and relay on all addresses (so that ejabberd connects to it on closest lan interface) I had situations where turnserver tries to contact private IPs of callers over Internet (luckily blocked by firewall).

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[07:58:00] <zoidberg> Did you set a secret?

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[07:58:58] <marko.cupac> Yes, all done. Exactly the same configuration works if turnserver is on a VPS on Internet, on public IP.

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[07:59:28] <marko.cupac> When I move it to my firewall it gets confused.
[07:59:29] <zoidberg> You have dynamic or static IP?
[07:59:35] <marko.cupac> Static

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[07:59:48] <zoidberg> weird
[07:59:52] <marko.cupac> Indeed

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[08:00:31] <zoidberg> you dont need tcp btw

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[08:01:14] <zoidberg> Tcp only if you want to use TLS which is not recommended
[08:01:29] <marko.cupac> I tried many configurations, removed tcp and tls, biut it doesn't seem to have effect.

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[08:02:38] <zoidberg> i am not a coturn expert, but i guess you need to focus your search on the allocation timeout error.
[08:02:56] <zoidberg> Or switch to eturnal, there is a room for it (xmpp room)
[08:02:58] <marko.cupac> What I still haven't tried is to forgo coturn and do stun/turn directly in ejabberd which is on private ip, and redirect all to it.
[08:03:12] <zoidberg> can work too
[08:03:28] <zoidberg> I do have this setup here.(working)

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[08:03:41] <zoidberg> But with eturnal(not built in)
[08:04:08] <marko.cupac> Freebsd has eturnal port, I could try it out. Will do and let you know.
[08:04:12] <marko.cupac> Thx 🙋

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[08:07:13] <zoidberg> Maybe the ejabberd built in eturnal is listening to the same port as coturn?

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[08:10:10] <marko.cupac> No, i removed ejabberd's stun/turn listeners.

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[08:11:59] <marko.cupac> Ok, I have eturnal installed. On ejabberd server which is on private lan. Do I set relay ipv4 addr? To what?

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[08:12:33] <zoidberg> The one that is the real internet
[08:12:40] <zoidberg> Not VPNs and other stuff
[08:13:22] <zoidberg> Like if your server is enps1 192.168.0.30 then this one.
[08:13:31] <marko.cupac> Static public IP on my firewall?
[08:13:31] <zoidberg> This is for listen IP only
[08:13:37] <marko.cupac> The one it NATs to?
[08:13:54] <zoidberg> Relay ip should point to external

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[08:14:08] <marko.cupac> Ok, gimđe 3mins

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[08:15:11] <marko.cupac> Can I listen on localhost if both ejabberd and eturnal are on same box?

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[08:15:35] <zoidberg> I am not sure.

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[08:16:33] <marko.cupac> I put real ip (private, lan).

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[08:16:42] <zoidberg> yes
[08:16:56] <zoidberg> Sounds about right
[08:17:15] <zoidberg> Again relay ip should be the external one

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[08:18:35] <marko.cupac> Ok. Should I blacklist internal IPs?

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[08:19:37] <zoidberg> That one i am not sure as of now, can look in my server config later. But should work in the default settings

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[08:19:55] <Guus> Is there a server admin for the process-one.net XMPP domain here? Would you consider installing the community module mod_pubsub_serverinfo ? I'd love for this domain to show up on the XMPP network graph. :)

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[08:20:22] <Guus> (I'm guessing Adrien / jsautret may have this power? )

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[08:32:35] <Guus> The author of that module, zeank, is in this room, and can vouch for the quality of that module ;)

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[08:39:05] <marko.cupac> Ok, all done, now waiting dns to propagate.

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[08:40:01] <marko.cupac> Changed SRV records to my firewall's public IP, redirected 3478 to internal.

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[08:41:26] <zoidberg> In the future change the 3478

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[09:09:39] <marko.cupac> Yes, waiting for propagation.

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[09:10:19] <marko.cupac> icetest.info looks fine i guess

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[09:17:05] <jsautret> Guus: yes, I guess we can enable it on process-one.net. We'll look into it
[09:17:39] <Guus> Thanks jsautret!

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[09:19:42] <Guus> as an aside, https://xmpp.org/extensions/#xep-0485-implementations shows that ejabberd support version 0.2.0 of this XEP. That version doesn't exist. There may be a typo in your DOAP?

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[09:20:04] <marko.cupac> Yes, and that still doesn't work, I don't even see incoming packets for stun/turn on my firewall. I guess my mobile data provider does not respect my DNS TTL.

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[09:21:51] <marko.cupac> Uhm, how do I ping from android / grapheneos 🙄

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[09:34:03] <zoidberg> Imo i would get rid of the SRV for your TURN server

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[09:55:48] <jsautret> Guus : seems so, thanks for noticing

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[09:58:50] <Hydrogen> the "access: allow: user: u@h" thing that i was recommended didn't work for excluding a user from mod_block_strangers, any other ideas?

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[10:45:12] <kapad> jsautret: so enabling mod_pubsub_serverinfo here, means that every server making s2s here will be listed in public without any consent from the owner/admin of the connected xmpp server. am i right ?

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[10:46:10] <Holger> kapad, nope.

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[10:46:37] <Holger> kapad, <https://xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/faq.html>.

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[10:48:03] <Holger> kapad, so for your server to be listed, you must explicitly opt-in (by activating mod_pubsub_serverinfo yourself). Except if you run a public server listed on providers.xmpp.net — those are assumed to be fine with having their domain published.
[10:48:05] <Guus> kapad, that is explicitly not true (I am the person who created that service). We've gone to great lengths to assure privacy is retained. Holger posted the link to the page where that's explained in more detial.

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[10:49:11] <Guus> There is a chatroom for this service available at xmpp:xmppnetworkgraph@conference.igniterealtime.org?join if you want to discuss this in more detail.

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[10:50:42] <kapad> Guus, isnt that project that produce a graph with s2s connections a server using mod_pubsub_serverinfo have ?

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[10:51:14] <Guus> yes? (I don't know if I understand your question)

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[10:53:07] <kapad> we have already you and me, talk about this, and the section in the #fag related to my question is:
``` Can you remove my domain from the network graph?
Absolutely. Please reach out (contact information here) to have your domain be added to the exclusion list. The application will not show domains that are on that list (and it won't expose that list either).
```

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[10:53:45] <Holger> kapad, that section is only relevant if you opted in to be listed in the first place.

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[10:54:25] <Holger> kapad, I understood your question to be "will my server be listed even though I don't have that module installed" and the answer to that is "no" (except if you're listed on providers.xmpp.net).
[10:55:06] <Holger> kapad, so I'm either misunderstanding your question or you're misunderstanding our responses.

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[10:56:02] <Guus> So far, I have had zero reports of domains that showed up on the graph when they didn't want it to. For that to happen, both the server module must be buggy, as well as the service implementation (as they _both_ should check for this). That opt-out list is something that I added as a third line of defense - so far, it hasn't been needed.

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[10:56:37] <kapad> Holger: if nothing changed, when project 1st created, i `search` some xmpp servers from my logs, then my domain shows up, without have install any module, neither be listed on providers.xmpp.net. i something changed, then sorry and ignore me. if not...
[10:57:09] <kapad> Holger: if nothing changed, when project 1st created, i `search` some xmpp servers from my logs, then my domain shows up, without have install any module, neither be listed on providers.xmpp.net. if something changed, then sorry and ignore me. if not...
[10:57:43] <Guus> kapad, I don't remember talking to you, so I don't remember the details. The very first prototype may have acted differently, but that was a long while ago (and all data that was collected then has long ago been removed).
[10:57:58] <kapad> then i aksed Guus why ? and respond to send him an email with my server so to not show on the graph.
[10:58:24] <Guus> kapad: can you check if your domain is currently on that graph, while you do not want it to be? The site has an easy search option now, shouldn't take you more than 4 seconds.

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[11:00:21] <kapad> Guus: I'll find some that i have s2s with, and check. If something change and that in not happening, that is very good. Is a cool and pretty project...

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[11:01:24] <Guus> kapad, thanks, please let me know. It is important to me that this is perfectly safe from a privacy point of view. To be clear: I think that it is, but let me know if you find a problem (but lets do that not in this channel, but in the one that I mentioned earlier, to not annoy everyone in here)
[11:01:48] <kapad> Guus: ok!

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[11:05:29] <Holger> Mickaël, Adrien, jsautret, FWIW, I'd agree enabling mod_pubsub_serverinfo on process-one.net would be nice.

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[11:14:10] <Adrien> Yep, I’m currently looking into enabling mod_pubsub_serverinfo here, but there are a few things I need to sort out first, it might take a few days. That said, we do like the idea. :)

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[11:28:29] <Guus> There currently are 7101 nodes and 8310 edges on the network graph. Let's see if you can bump that over 10,000 :)
[11:28:37] <Guus> Let me know if I can help.

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[11:52:28] <kapad> ok, make a small test and i admit domains like mine not support XEP-0485 are not listed by other who do. Also that strictly defined in the XEP in section 7. Thats very good, wasnt like this when project came out at start, but not it is!

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[11:54:50] <kapad> Guus, ok i judged you innocent this time ;) Ok, i like freedom, not isolation, not hide, but there is a balance between what we believe and real life. offer `free` graphs, is nice in theory but at the times we live... That was all about... ._
[11:55:02] <Guus> \o/

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[18:23:11] <raver> When installing `mod_pubsub_serverinfo` is this warning normal?
https://paste.rimkus.it/?6b06c6441859976b#EBNGzThuxv17LU7ERqyAGn7edzUnMFmteuCQeE3sEAff

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[18:24:12] <Guus> zeank? ^

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[18:36:07] <zoidberg> Last i heard z eank was out to get beer for the weekend(Sweden thing?). I guess he still carrying the load.

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[18:36:30] <raver> 😁 or marking it less to carry

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[18:36:59] <raver> 😁 or making it less to carry

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[18:38:44] <Holger> raver: Yes that warning is to be expected and can be ignored.
[18:38:49] <nigel_> raver: i commented out the lines in ejabberd-modules/mod_pubsub_serverinfo/conf/mod_pubsub_serverinfo.yml and have it in my main conf yml modules... actually I have it in only one of my append modules section as I'm running 2 vhosts. Works fine there.

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[18:39:11] <raver> After it's enabled I should be able to see my domain at xmpp network graph right
[18:39:14] <raver> Holger, nigel_: thx

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[18:40:32] <raver> > raver: i commented out the lines in ejabberd-modules/mod_pubsub_serverinfo/conf/mod_pubsub_serverinfo.yml and have it in my main conf yml modules... actually I have it in only one of my append modules section as I'm running 2 vhosts. Works fine there.
Yep me too, I tried to set the `mod_pubsub_host:` to my xmpp domain, but this have me an error at `ejabberdctl reload_config`

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[18:40:46] <raver> > raver: i commented out the lines in ejabberd-modules/mod_pubsub_serverinfo/conf/mod_pubsub_serverinfo.yml and have it in my main conf yml modules... actually I have it in only one of my append modules section as I'm running 2 vhosts. Works fine there.
Yep me too, I tried to set the `mod_pubsub_host:` to my xmpp domain, but this gave me an error at `ejabberdctl reload_config`
[18:40:46] <Guus> raver: you will see it only if you (or someone else) has also made the graph service aware of your domain (_and_ if that service can reach your pubsub service using an s2s connection, which typically requires a DNS record and a SAN in your TLS certificate0

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[18:41:12] <raver> Can anyone point me to the URL, I would like to add my domain😊
[18:41:18] <Guus> raver, if you want to give me your domain name, I can do some basic testing
[18:41:28] <Guus> https://xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/
[18:41:29] <raver> Sure rimkus.it
[18:41:38] <Guus> there's an 'add' box in the top-right corner

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[18:42:10] <Guus> ok, on first glance, the module seems to be installed correctly.
[18:42:19] <raver> Yep
[18:42:28] <raver> Cool😁👌

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[18:42:42] <Guus> there's also a DNS record for `pubsub.rimkus.it` which is good

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[18:43:05] <raver> I tried to get 100% at all testers 😁

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[18:43:32] <Guus> I don't know the command to test for the certificate by heart. I see that you've already submitted the domain to the service. Let's see if it pops up in a few minutes :)
[18:43:52] <Guus> Oh there it is: https://xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/?focus=rimkus.it
[18:43:53] <raver> Yea thank you
[18:44:00] <Guus> success!

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[18:44:28] <Guus> This will only show s2s connections that are established since you enabled the module, so it might be a bit slow to populate.

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[18:44:56] <raver> Yes, besides I never heard of pimux.de 🤣
[18:45:08] <Guus> Someone on your server has :)

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[18:45:17] <Guus> or someone on that domain knows of your server.
[18:45:33] <Guus> https://xmppnetwork.goodbytes.im/?focus=pimux.de
[18:45:34] <raver> Ah so these are all outgoing connections from this domain?
[18:45:37] <Guus> it has lots of friends :D

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[18:45:43] <raver> 😁

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[18:45:57] <Guus> the tool does not care if the connection is incoming, outgoing or both.
[18:46:04] <Guus> (it just draws a line if any of that is true)
[18:46:14] <raver> Thx, nice

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