ejabberd - Monday, September 15, 2025

[03:55:02] <ray_cist> Like text convos are encrypted in Ejabberd with OMEMO and/or OpenPGP, are voice and video calls also encrypted so that not even the server owner can listen and see the voice and video calls? I believe it's STUN/TURN protocols for this purpose that are built-in into Ejabberd. I'm a noob, I don't know much about protocols.

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[04:10:08] <zoidberg> Video calls and audio calls are DTLS encrypted.

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[04:11:20] <ray_cist> by default or do I have to take some steps to encrypt voice and video calls for an Ejabberd server?
[04:11:49] <zoidberg> However, I've heard rumors that it would be technically possible for the the server owner to decrypt it. Dont ask me about it, i dont really care(since i run my own server)

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[04:12:20] <zoidberg> ray_cist: no, its all done automatically.

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[04:12:30] <ray_cist> zoidberg: wow
[04:12:47] <zoidberg> you need the TURN set up working though
[04:12:56] <zoidberg> Dynamic or static IP?

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[04:14:34] <ray_cist> > you need the TURN set up working though
Well, I hosted my ejabberd server on a vps with a static ip and set up dns records on cloudflare for my domains using this official tutorial: https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-set-up-ejabberd-video-voice-calling/

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[04:15:16] <zeank> Kris, yes, see it the first time

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[04:15:29] <ray_cist> > However, I've heard rumors that it would be technically possible for the the server owner to decrypt it. Dont ask me about it, i dont really care(since i run my own server)
I hope they're only that, rumors.

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[04:16:39] <zoidberg> ray_cist: if you did everything on this article then it will work. However you dont really need SRV records for TURN, its useless.

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[04:18:50] <ray_cist> > ray_cist: if you did everything on this article then it will work. However you dont really need SRV records for TURN, its useless.
Yup, I followed this article to the T, glad encyption is automatic

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[04:19:16] <ray_cist> However you dont really need SRV records for TURN, its useless.
Hmmmmm gotta look into that

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[04:20:15] <zoidberg> ray_cist: i believe that the rumors were correct, but i didnt learn how its possible. That being said, i believe that Atalk calls work differently cant intercept now even the server admin. (this is also by just hearing people talk on the hood). However honestly, last time i tried Atalk could not keep it, its just too many bugs.

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[04:21:16] <zoidberg> If you run your own server there is no one who can spy but you.
[04:21:32] <ray_cist> There has to be one downside to evrything, doesn't it 😅 Ejabberd is very great though, never seen something so useful.

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[04:24:53] <zoidberg> One more thing, do yourself a favor, dont run on the 3478(your TURN/STUN)

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[04:25:12] <ray_cist> why though?

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[04:28:52] <zoidberg> I am not good at explaining it in details. But its because Reflection/amplification attacks. Basically attacker use your server to attack somebody else.

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[04:29:54] <zoidberg> It is 99.999% effective to change your 3478 to something else since this sort of attacks are automations always looking the the 3478.

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[04:32:17] <ray_cist> So I'll change the default port from 3478 to something else then, thanks.

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[04:49:32] <ray_cist> I'm honestly kind of disappointed after building my server coz there isn't much to do on the XMPP network

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[04:51:07] <ray_cist> All the groups are technical, I just found one gaming group.
Wish more people adopt XMPP and make communities on the network. I just made my server and it sat there, I sent at most 2 chats per day lamo

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[05:17:11] <raver> ray_cist: so there is much to do but more social than technical🙃

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[05:23:10] <ray_cist> > ray_cist: so there is much to do but more social than technical🙃
What? I think you said this the other way around.

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[06:05:15] <nigel_> No raver got it right; it isn't technical reasons people aren't using xmpp, it's social. There isn't a reason to use it in most people's eyes, as they have everything supplied free, and even if they know about the tricks the other platforms use to keep you engaged and using them the tricks still work on you...
[06:05:39] <nigel_> And no network effect yet. Anyway, I feel this is a topic for another channel probably.

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[06:11:49] <raver> > No raver got it right; it isn't technical reasons people aren't using xmpp, it's social. There isn't a reason to use it in most people's eyes, as they have everything supplied free, and even if they know about the tricks the other platforms use to keep you engaged and using them the tricks still work on you...
❤️

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[06:39:07] <ray_cist> > No raver got it right; it isn't technical reasons people aren't using xmpp, it's social. There isn't a reason to use it in most people's eyes, as they have everything supplied free, and even if they know about the tricks the other platforms use to keep you engaged and using them the tricks still work on you...
Right

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[07:11:18] <ray_cist> Can I not search for public group chats on Dino? I'm using Linux Mint
[07:11:31] <ray_cist> I remember I could do this on Gajim

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[07:12:05] <zoidberg> Dino its like a plane with only 2 controls, UP and Down

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[07:19:44] <zoidberg> Maybe check on their room though.

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[07:20:24] <ray_cist> which i cant join 😂 time to open Gajim

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[17:02:41] <Kris> zeank: how far is yours?

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[17:08:01] <moparisthebest> zoidberg, ray_cist: Conversations prevents server call MITM via OMEMO https://gist.github.com/iNPUTmice/aa4fc0aeea6ce5fb0e0fe04baca842cd

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[17:08:36] <moparisthebest> probably no other clients that aren't conversations forks do though...

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[17:12:05] <zoidberg> moparisthebest: Ah, so you mean that videos calls when using conversations are also impossible for even the server admin to decrypt?

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[17:12:42] <moparisthebest> if you have OMEMO turned on yes
[17:12:53] <zoidberg> Thanks for clarifying that. 👍👍

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[17:14:29] <moparisthebest> note they are always encrypted no matter what, but the keys are exchanged via XMPP so if that's not e2e encrypted a bad server admin could write a ton of code to actively mitm you
they can't just passively monitor+record+decrypt

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[17:16:29] <zoidberg> Understood, this knowledge is gold, thanks for sharing moparisthebest 👍

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[17:17:10] <zoidberg> If i use pgp thats valid too?
[17:17:36] <zoidberg> Are said keys also exchanged encrypted or only OMEMO?

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[17:19:15] <moparisthebest> that temporary hack is only for OMEMO :)

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[17:21:23] <zeank> idag 19:02:
> zeank: how far is yours?
Just started 😅

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[17:24:47] <zeank> https://github.com/sstrigler/ejabberd/tree/great_invitations

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[17:27:36] <Kris> How about you base yours on the one I shared if license permits? More time to add extra polish 😊
[17:31:36] <zeank> Then I’d have to spend quite some time just to understand whatever code that is …
Since this is more of a long term effort I see little benefit in taking on that hassle. Alone the licensing would be some days of communication back and forth and so on.

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[17:35:19] <ray_cist> > zoidberg, ray_cist: Conversations prevents server call MITM via OMEMO https://gist.github.com/iNPUTmice/aa4fc0aeea6ce5fb0e0fe04baca842cd
Wow thanks for clarifying

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[17:54:17] <ray_cist> Does Movim not have any official servers outside the EU?
[17:54:53] <moparisthebest> I don't think it has any "official servers" at all
[17:54:55] <ray_cist> I'm in Asia and the site loads like I'm on fucking 1 Mbps internet
[17:55:04] <moparisthebest> host your own (:
[17:55:36] <ray_cist> I mean this site, this is where I logged in --> https://mov.im/news
[17:56:53] <moparisthebest> right, that's just a website that happens to host a movim instance
[17:57:22] <ray_cist> > host your own (:
Best option Ig. Host one Movim instance for Asian folks
[17:57:56] <ray_cist> Gotta say Movim UI is very nice
[17:58:09] <ray_cist> Dare I say it rivals Discord UI

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[17:59:32] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/pw9kMaiARlUZeOEo/f9246bf1-29be-405a-bc66-880538929988.png
[17:59:50] <ray_cist> Yup the official instance is only in EU. With blogs and all

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[18:00:15] <moparisthebest> lol what I'm pretty sure that AI summary is just made up

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[18:00:42] <ray_cist> that's a snippet not ai overview
[18:00:53] <ray_cist> but that doesn't mean it's right

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[18:03:43] <ray_cist> Guys, how do i call people from a browser client? Movim and converse don't support it it seems
[18:04:17] <moparisthebest> movim does I think

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[18:07:24] <ray_cist> i see no buttons lol
[18:07:43] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/Z04QlgPwxtG1l22B/26cf3136-4558-4903-99b2-1a67e5e207d4.png
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