ejabberd - Thursday, October 9, 2025

[09:05:54] <ycnzo> i'm thinking of putting all the stuff in one port: c2s, s2s, turns, websocket, and bosh. I'd like to ask if such a setup is feasible?

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[09:07:00] <ycnzo> the main purpose is to simplify firewall rules, tbh, but any other benefit is nice too

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[09:08:49] <MattJ> Yes, it's possible. You probably want to look into sslh: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368

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[09:10:30] <ycnzo> thanks for the link MattJ. I'll see if those setups can be converted to caddy-l4
[09:10:37] <ycnzo> thanks for the link MattJ. I'll see if those setups can be converted to caddy-l4 which i'm using

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[09:10:59] <MattJ> If you get it working and want to contribute a how-to to that page, let me know and I can set you up with a wiki account
[09:11:19] <ycnzo> got it

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[09:11:58] <ycnzo> my understanding is that you'd have to terminate TLS at the reverse proxy, _then_ route s2s or c2c via ALPN, is it?
[09:12:05] <ycnzo> my understanding is that you'd have to terminate TLS at the reverse proxy, _then_ route s2s or c2s via ALPN, is it?

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[09:12:31] <MattJ> ALPN can (usually) be read without terminating TLS

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[09:17:06] <Licaon_Kter> ycnzo: Drop bosh, see websocket

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[09:19:23] <ycnzo> > ycnzo: Drop bosh, see websocket
I thought bosh is deprecated too, thanks, I'll use ws only
[09:19:48] <ycnzo> I forgot to mention, I'm also thinking of hosting xmpp on the same domain as another static http webpage. From my understanding, the way to filter traffic is via alpn right? since SNI is the same

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[09:21:08] <zoidberg> You can also create other name and point to the same IP
[09:21:35] <ycnzo> wdym create other name? is this something like delegation in matrix?
[09:22:02] <ycnzo> zoidberg: wdym create other (host?)name? is this something like delegation in matrix?
[09:22:09] <zoidberg> Lets say you host example.com on certain ip

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[09:22:27] <zoidberg> You can create a subdomain poiting to the same IP
[09:22:36] <zoidberg> Then filter with sni

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[09:23:58] <ycnzo> then either my xmpp address or my static site would be at subdomain.example.com

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[09:24:53] <ycnzo> is there a way to host both on 443, *and* have them both point to same domain? or something has to give?

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[09:26:07] <ycnzo> with matrix for instance, I can delegate matrix.example.com to handle @username:example.com users. I'd hope theres something similar here but, I'd understand if there isn't

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[09:28:47] <MattJ> You can use SRV records

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[09:33:44] <ycnzo> > You can use SRV records
ah right, thanks. The link you sent contained an example SRV but only now do I understand

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[16:53:55] <mm> > is there a way to host both on 443, *and* have them both point to same domain? or something has to give?
Yes, you can serve on 443 with one hostname everything except s2s. Conversations and it's clones do TURN/STUN over ALPN, but as mention Holger, browser library for webrtc didn't support ALPN, so for it's compatibility you have to use SLI with different hostname.

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[16:56:31] <mm> I think s2s can't do ALPN, so you can use different hostname on 443 with DNS record and SNI.

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[16:58:40] <Holger> There's usually not much point doing s2s on 443, no?

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[17:01:28] <mm> I think ycnzo is from Russia, and he is not sure about tomorrow, is there be open ports for s2s for federating.

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[17:02:42] <Holger> Ok but right now there's probably very few remote servers to talk to on 443.
[17:02:53] <mm> > Ok but right now there's probably very few remote servers to talk to on 443.
👍

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[17:06:46] <mm> Just a question, I'm not tested but I want to know, if I set my DNS s2s pointing 443, will this setup work?

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[17:10:45] <zoidberg> Lets think, SRV pointing your S2S to the 443 and then filtering by nginx? As long as there is another name then something else?

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[17:12:32] <mm> > Lets think, SRV pointing your S2S to the 443 and then filtering by nginx? As long as there is another name then something else?
Yes, with different hostname.

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[17:12:52] <zoidberg> but if the hostname is different

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[17:13:03] <zoidberg> From server to client

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[17:13:48] <zoidberg> Then how that would play?

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[17:15:38] <zoidberg> confusing stuff. Nerds do like to complicate the crap out of the things 😂
[17:15:45] <ycnzo> > Yes, it's possible. You probably want to look into sslh: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368
"Please note the target can be anything, domain.tld, xmpp.domain.tld, or some.unrelated.domain.net, just as long as it's listening on those ports and has a valid certificate for domain.tld in this case."

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[17:16:12] <ycnzo> it's interesting to see if this holds true for s2s

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[17:20:29] <ycnzo> (this being the cert thing)

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[17:21:01] <zoidberg> AI says its possible : ```stream {
    map $ssl_preread_alpn_protocols $ssl_multiplexer {
        "xmpp-server"     127.0.0.1:5469;  # s2s traffic
        "xmpp-client"     127.0.0.1:5422;  # c2s traffic
        default           127.0.0.1:8443;  # default (e.g., HTTPS)
    }```
[17:21:26] <zoidberg> I am ready to be executed by the anti AI gang now.

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[17:22:32] <ycnzo> you couldve just taken a look at https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/SRV_Records lol

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[17:24:19] <zoidberg> Too late, already made my peace🫣

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[17:45:11] <ycnzo> > Yes, you can serve on 443 with one hostname everything except s2s. Conversations and it's clones do TURN/STUN over ALPN, but as mention Holger, browser library for webrtc didn't support ALPN, so for it's compatibility you have to use SLI with different hostname.
with the flexibility of SRV records, I'll probably do different hostnames for c2s, s2s, and my static http site. My main goal is to preserve the username on the @example.com root domain, so another subdomain for the actual services would be acceptable e.g.:
- S2S: find SRV for example.com, goes to xmpp-s2s.example.com
- C2S: find SRV for example.com, goes to xmpp-c2s.example.com
I think something like this should work, should it?

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[17:45:46] <ycnzo> > Yes, you can serve on 443 with one hostname everything except s2s. Conversations and it's clones do TURN/STUN over ALPN, but as mention Holger, browser library for webrtc didn't support ALPN, so for it's compatibility you have to use SLI with different hostname.
with the flexibility of SRV records, I'll probably do different hostnames for c2s, s2s, and my static http site. My main goal is to preserve the username on the @example.com root domain, so another subdomain for the actual services would be acceptable e.g.:
- S2S: find SRV for example.com, goes to xmpp-s2s.example.com
- C2S: find SRV for example.com, goes to xmpp-c2s.example.com
- HTTP site: find A/AAAA at example.com and just go there
I think something like this should work, should it?

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[17:47:40] <ycnzo> > Yes, you can serve on 443 with one hostname everything except s2s. Conversations and it's clones do TURN/STUN over ALPN, but as mention Holger, browser library for webrtc didn't support ALPN, so for it's compatibility you have to use SLI with different hostname.
with the flexibility of SRV records, I'll probably do different hostnames for c2s, s2s, and my static http site. My main goal is to preserve the username on the @example.com root domain, so another subdomain for the actual services would be acceptable e.g.:
- S2S: find SRV for example.com, goes to xmpp-s2s.example.com
- C2S: find SRV for example.com, goes to xmpp-c2s.example.com
- HTTP site: find A/AAAA at example.com and just go there
I think something like this should work, should it? As long as I route the right SNI to the right service:port at the reverse proxy level

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[18:08:39] <mm> I think will work, not tested with s2s, but other parts work in my setup. Also you can do c2s via ALPN on example.com, using DNS records with different priority just as fallback.

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[18:12:07] <mm> And also TURN/STUN via SNI with different hostname (stun.example.com) or as I do on my setup via ALPN on example.com.

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[18:25:25] <mm> I think you can use different hostnames and SNI for s2s and turn, c2s work perfect with ALPN, tested with Conversations, Monal, Movim, Gajim, Converscejs, web Cheogram.

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[18:27:24] <ycnzo> mm, thanks for such a confirmation. I'll deploy accordingly and write up if there are any anomalies

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[18:28:40] <mm> Of you want, on my eveningI can share my Nginx config.
[18:28:52] <mm> If…

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[18:30:28] <ycnzo> I'd be curious to whether ALPN on same hostname is enough of a distinction between http/1.1 + h2 / xmpp-client / xmpp-server. Though I suspect different reverse proxies may behave weirdly because alpn routing isnt as common as sni

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[18:31:08] <ycnzo> > If…
I think I'll figure stuff out myself first with caddy, thanks for the offer anyhow :)

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[18:35:42] <egnun> Good evening, ejabberd folks!
I am trying to set up a test server with mix/Elixir.
The setup itself has worked so far, but when I try to login with my new test user, it always tries to connect with TLS, even if I tell my client (profanity) explicitely not to.
[18:35:51] <egnun> Do you have an idea, how I could fix this?

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[18:48:08] <egnun> Nevermind.

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[20:13:21] <mm> > Of you want, on my eveningI can share my Nginx config.
🙌

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[20:53:49] <vahrein> > > Of you want, on my eveningI can share my Nginx config.
> 🙌I would like to see it, thanks.

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[21:13:51] <nigel_> > Of you want, on my eveningI can share my Nginx config.
I would be interested also, using sslh currently

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