ejabberd - Saturday, October 11, 2025

[02:03:48] <stark> Hey all! Trying to help a buddy write some quadlets for ejabberd behind traefik. Anyone have any experience with traefik in front of ejabberd?
So far I have:
- HostSNI routers for c2s and s2s so that ejabberd can terminate TLS so it supports startTLS.
What I need is some advice on direct TLS c2s and s2s, as well as http(s) for bosh, websockets, and file upload. I'd like to use http routers for that and terminate TLS at traefik if possible. Seems like it could work that way but I'm unsure on the ejabberd side for config to support that. Any ideas before I just start iterating?

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[02:06:58] <stark> Hey all! Trying to help a buddy write some quadlets for ejabberd behind traefik. Anyone have any experience with traefik in front of ejabberd?
So far I have:
- HostSNI routers for c2s and s2s so that ejabberd can terminate TLS so it supports startTLS.
- Entrypoints on 5222, 5223, and 5269 for the aforementioned routers.
What I need is some advice on direct TLS c2s and s2s, as well as http(s) for bosh, websockets, and file upload. I'd like to use http routers for that and terminate TLS at traefik if possible. Seems like it could work that way but I'm unsure on the ejabberd side for config to support that. Any ideas before I just start iterating?

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[03:48:00] <moparisthebest> ejabberd needs to terminate TLS itself, at least for s2s, because it needs to do mutual TLS auth

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[04:03:08] <ycnzo> stark: I think at least for the http stuff, you can disable tls on the listener modules and that'd work
for Direct TLS with S2S/C2S, could you try disabling the same? then you could instruct traefik's TCP routers to terminate TLS and route to these ports

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[04:04:24] <ycnzo> stark: I think at least for the http stuff, you can disable tls on the listener modules and that'd work
for Direct TLS with S2S/C2S, could you try disabling the same? then you could instruct traefik's TCP routers to terminate TLS and route to these ports, plainly
[04:05:12] <moparisthebest> Not for s2s, then ejabberd couldn't authenticate incoming connections

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[04:06:46] <ycnzo> moparisthebest: in direct tls too? may I ask how does it work?

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[04:10:09] <moparisthebest> For s2s yes, when server A connects to server B it says here's my certificate which says I'm server A, called client cert auth or mutual TLS sometimes

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[04:15:14] <ycnzo> > 3. So that mutual certificate authentication will be possible, the receiving entity SHOULD send a certificate request to the initiating entity, and the initiating entity SHOULD send a certificate to the receiving entity ...
I see, it's interesting to see this baked in the RFC so long ago

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[04:16:42] <nigel_> Surely s2s shouldn't need proxying through 443, unless you're hosting your server in a hotel?

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[04:17:22] <nigel_> Nvm, I guess some ISP may lock stuff down too, which I realised after I wrote that.

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[04:17:26] <ycnzo> spark: in that case, I think traefik will just need to send TCP packets with `tls.passthrough: true`, and tls is enabled as normal on ejabberd's listen modules

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[04:19:00] <stark> Yeah so c2s and s2s right now are just TCP routers, it's not doing L7 anything. Was thinking for the http protocols though traefik could terminate TLS and I'd try and cram it over 443 instead of 5280 and 5443
[04:19:09] <stark> Guess it'll just take some testing.

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[04:20:26] <ycnzo> spark: that should be normal with 2 routers with different PathPrefix, to filter on the same entrypoint

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[04:21:16] <ycnzo> the backend are still different ports however

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[04:21:45] <stark> Yeah that's fine. The backend is in a namespaced network that doesn't see the light of day. NBD.

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[04:21:54] <stark> > spark: that should be normal with 2 routers with different PathPrefix, to filter on the same entrypoint
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[04:23:56] <ycnzo> nigel_: i'm not sure why, but matrix started to do 443 for S2S as well. Maybe it's just simpler because all requests go to the same HTTP server

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[04:24:35] <nigel_> Yeah.

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[04:24:37] <ycnzo> I guess I'll serve S2S on both 5270 and 443, and define them both in the SRVs

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[19:45:39] <mm> Why 5270 but not standard 5269?

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[19:48:53] <Licaon_Kter> 5270 is standard...

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[19:56:55] <starkzarn> > Why 5270 but not standard 5269?
5270 is S2S direct TLS

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[20:02:52] <moparisthebest> neither is standard
[20:03:15] <moparisthebest> There is no standard direct TLS port, but you should just only ever use 443 for everything

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[20:04:29] <starkzarn> what's the difference on the backend that will allow me to appropriately route requests for C2S on 443 vs S2S on 443 then? i.e. how do you multiplex it?

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[20:23:55] <Licaon_Kter> stark: get sslh

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[20:24:35] <starkzarn> Yes, sslh will do it, so can traefik though. Regardless, the LB/reverse proxy needs a way to discriminate routing decisions. That's what I'm asking about.

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[20:33:50] <Maïke> hope to enable direct tls in ejabberd?
[20:33:57] <Maïke> the listener is starttls

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[22:15:34] <arcanicanis> 5222 (C2S) and 5269 (S2S) should be doing STARTTLS and not be reconfigured any differently; meanwhile port 5223 (C2S) and 5270 (S2S) are the ports you'd do direct TLS on. Out-of-the-box, ejabberd should be configured to do direct TLS on port 5223 (for client connections)

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[23:35:27] <starkzarn> > 5222 (C2S) and 5269 (S2S) should be doing STARTTLS and not be reconfigured any differently; meanwhile port 5223 (C2S) and 5270 (S2S) are the ports you'd do direct TLS on. Out-of-the-box, ejabberd should be configured to do direct TLS on port 5223 (for client connections)
yeah and i'm working on getting all of these behind traefik. the starttls ports as tcp routers with a HostSNI(`*`) match and direct passthrough so ejabberd can handle starttls; the direct tls i'd like to terminate tls at the reverse proxy and pass to ejabberd in the namespaced network in the clear. haven't had time to test anything today though. i'm hoping i can get both on 443/tcp multiplexed.

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