ejabberd - Friday, December 26, 2025

[00:13:54] <stratself> switch to `loglevel: debug` and try to capture logs when you join a MUC like gajim's
[00:14:00] <edu4rdshl> > yeah nothing extraordinary in your configs. maybe a network problem as to how you configure your wireguard tunnel
Mmmmm, the only thing I actually have tunneled to my wireguard VPN is port 5080, but it only has /admin, I don't think that's a problem?
[00:14:24] <zoidberg> 5280 will not cause any trouble.
[00:14:27] <edu4rdshl> > Both ports are open?
Yes. As I said, I can join most XMPP servers, the problem is with a few ones
[00:14:43] <zoidberg> Are you using IPv6 only or both?

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[00:14:57] <edu4rdshl> > switch to `loglevel: debug` and try to capture logs when you join a MUC like gajim's
I have tried to do that but uuuh, it's A LOT of info, how can I capture just what I want?
[00:15:02] <edu4rdshl> > Are you using IPv6 only or both?
Both
[00:15:08] <stratself> >> yeah nothing extraordinary in your configs. maybe a network problem as to how you configure your wireguard tunnel
> Mmmmm, the only thing I actually have tunneled to my wireguard VPN is port 5080, but it only has /admin, I don't think that's a problem?
ah wireguard is for internal use. Then I'll understand that it shouldnt be a problem

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[00:15:32] <zoidberg> maybe some servers are not setup to work via IPv6 S2S

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[00:15:57] <zoidberg> Maybe focus on S2S via IPv4

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[00:16:06] <zoidberg> Just to try.
[00:16:14] <stratself> >> switch to `loglevel: debug` and try to capture logs when you join a MUC like gajim's
> I have tried to do that but uuuh, it's A LOT of info, how can I capture just what I want?
disable this account and use a temp one just for this purpose
[00:16:42] <edu4rdshl> > disable this account and use a temp one just for this purpose
And can I filter there by account (like just a grep)?
[00:16:47] <edu4rdshl> > maybe some servers are not setup to work via IPv6 S2S
Let me try
[00:17:21] <zoidberg> delete your IPv6 records so other servers will not get lost.

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[00:19:07] <stratself> > Maybe focus on S2S via IPv4
tbh there was this variable
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/toplevel/#outgoing_s2s_families
but its deprecated

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[00:19:28] <edu4rdshl> > delete your IPv6 records so other servers will not get lost.
That's all I need to do, right? Or do I need something on ejabberd.yml too?

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[00:22:34] <stratself> >> delete your IPv6 records so other servers will not get lost.
> That's all I need to do, right? Or do I need something on ejabberd.yml too?
i don't think you need anything

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[00:26:16] <zoidberg> edu4rdshl: having conference.example.com on your certs will help clients from federated also connect to your server(but this is the other way around, not necessary for you now).
[00:27:31] <Edward> Here's the full debug log when trying to join a room on one of the affected servers using a temporary user as stratself suggested (what a good idea): https://paste.rs/4NIVt.txt
[00:27:45] <Edward> > edu4rdshl: having conference.example.com on your certs will help clients from federated also connect to your server(but this is the other way around, not necessary for you now).
Ack
[00:29:33] <stratself> > Here's the full debug log when trying to join a room on one of the affected servers using a temporary user as stratself suggested (what a good idea): https://paste.rs/4NIVt.txt
nothing found :/
[00:30:50] <Edward> Right. It's so damn weird
[00:31:07] <zoidberg> you already tried restarting the server?

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[00:32:00] <Edward> Not yet :p
[00:32:05] <Edward> Let me try

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[00:33:36] <stratself> if you wanna dive in further, theres also mod_logxml in the contrib repo
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib

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[00:43:48] <Edward> Same problem after restarting
[00:43:51] <Edward> eeeh

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[00:46:01] <zoidberg> Want me to try and send pm to you(this acc is from conversations.im)
[00:46:35] <Edward> Sure! I already tried with no luck tho. My account on the other server is edu4rdshl@jabber.edu4rdshl.dev
[00:47:02] <Edward> Here are the DNS records I have after removing the AAAA one, just in case I'm missing something https://i.ibb.co/7dBzsjSP/image.png
[00:49:10] <Edward> And here's the compliance report https://i.ibb.co/TqLMPbDp/image.png, which seems good to me

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[00:49:16] <zoidberg> BTW if using default ports, you dont really need those SRV records
[00:49:22] <zoidberg> Just DNS pointing

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[00:49:40] <edu4rdshl> Ack
[00:49:58] <zoidberg> They dont harm(unless they are wrong of course). But are not needed

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[00:52:23] <edu4rdshl> They are fine according to my tests but I can try removing them and if that makes a difference I think
[00:52:43] <edu4rdshl> It's just so weird that the problem is with specific servers, others work without any issue (like this one)

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[00:54:02] <zoidberg> weird indeed. and i could not PM you. so theres that.

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[01:02:16] <zoidberg> I have trouble pinging your server by name.
[01:02:36] <zoidberg> name or service not found.
[01:02:52] <zoidberg> Ah
[01:02:58] <zoidberg> Sorry my bad

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[01:03:25] <edu4rdshl> I discovered something weirdest. I can actually send messages to conversations.im accounts, but I can't reply from conversations.im account
[01:03:28] <edu4rdshl> Lmao
[01:03:36] <stratself> > Sure! I already tried with no luck tho. My account on the other server is edu4rdshl@jabber.edu4rdshl.dev
i can DM you

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[01:03:48] <edu4rdshl> >> Sure! I already tried with no luck tho. My account on the other server is edu4rdshl@jabber.edu4rdshl.dev
> i can DM you
Let's try
[01:04:17] <edu4rdshl> Works fine with you :D
[01:04:17] <stratself> that means your ports might not be properly exposed
[01:04:44] <stratself> > Works fine with you :D
but i'm pretty sure they are properly exposed lol
[01:05:04] <edu4rdshl> Hahaha

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[01:05:56] <stratself> it might be that those servers cache some failure states from earlier and you'd have to wait until the next full moon
[01:06:20] <edu4rdshl> Yep, it seems to be the case :)

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[01:06:55] <edu4rdshl> Thank you all! Let's see if time will make a difference
[01:07:04] <edu4rdshl> I will get back on 1 week :p
[01:07:08] <stratself> normally I got these problems because my ISP drops some stuff. But they're network blips, not so persistent

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[01:08:32] <stratself> whats your setup btw? is it on a vps?

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[01:15:29] <edu4rdshl> Yep, a OVH VPS on Canada
[01:17:55] <zoidberg> Are you a trucker?
[01:18:10] <zoidberg> Sorry, should not have brought that up 😁
[01:18:49] <edu4rdshl> Hahahahahahaha
[01:19:21] <edu4rdshl> I wouldn't answer directly to that but I love trucks!

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[02:33:03] <edu4rdshl> > edu4rdshl: enable the mam values in mod_muc too
>
> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_muc
>
> check this report for how
>
> https://compliance.conversations.im/server/01337.io/
Btw, I added them but I didn't see the compliance yet, stratself,

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[02:33:46] <edu4rdshl> I assume it's what you asked for?
```
  mod_muc:
    access:
      - allow
    access_admin:
      - allow: admin
    access_create: muc_create
    access_persistent: muc_create
    access_mam:
      - allow
    default_room_options:
      mam: true
```

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[02:49:45] <stratself> edu4rdshl: `access_mam` should be available to your test user. just put `all` if you're lazy and lock them down later

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[02:53:12] <stratself> but to be honest I never tested for compliance. Just make sure the thing works for me is enough lol

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[02:57:45] <edu4rdshl> > edu4rdshl: `access_mam` should be available to your test user. just put `all` if you're lazy and lock them down later
How should it looks tho? I tried changing - allow to - all and indeed didn't worked haha
[02:57:54] <edu4rdshl> > but to be honest I never tested for compliance. Just make sure the thing works for me is enough lol
I should do the same tbh :p

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[03:10:55] <stratself> >> edu4rdshl: `access_mam` should be available to your test user. just put `all` if you're lazy and lock them down later
> How should it looks tho? I tried changing - allow to - all and indeed didn't worked haha
access_mam: all

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[15:30:10] <vahrein> Hi everyone, good to see you, I renewed certificates running these commands' iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 5280 && ejabberdctl request-certificate all && ejabberdctl list-certificates && iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 5280 ', so when I realized that ejabberd was not able to directly use port 80, but today I just launched' ejabberdctl request-certificate all 'with firewall enabled and everything lasted, did I miss something?)
[15:31:00] <vahrein> Hi everyone, good to see you, I renewed certificates running these commands 'iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 5280 && ejabberdctl request-certificate all && ejabberdctl list-certificates && iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 5280', so when I realized that ejabberd was not able to directly use port 80, but today I just launched `ejabberdctl request-certificate all` with firewall enabled and everything lasted, did I miss something?)

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[15:33:43] <vahrein> I also turned on automatic renewal
ca_url: https://acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org/directory
auto: true

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[15:45:12] <zoidberg> Everything lasted?

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[15:49:11] <vahrein> zoidberg: Yes, everything lasted, the certificates were all renewed. I just don’t understand the redirect; there’s no need to use it anymore, right?

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[15:50:48] <zoidberg> i never used the built in acme mechanism, but never heard we needed to redirect to the 5280. Usually we need the 80 and 443 open, nothing else.

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[15:52:36] <zoidberg> usually, with certbot or acme.sh, thats the case at least.

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[15:54:32] <vahrein> The fact of the matter is that I encountered this a long time ago, and the official documentation said that ejabberd does not have rights or something like that and that it is worth doing a redirect port forwarding so that certificates are issued. and so it was, I tried directly and was refused

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[16:00:34] <vahrein> I did this now on two servers and everything worked out, so I would like to understand what has changed in the acme ejabberd mechanism
[16:00:42] <zoidberg> Dont know what to tell you. But you are complaining that it _is working_?

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[16:01:23] <zoidberg> Hey processone guys can you break this one so this customer will be happier?😄

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[16:02:02] <vahrein> I just want to understand whether it will automatically renew and how reliable it is, this matters to me
[16:02:36] <zoidberg> Ah got it. Well as long as your 80 is open i think it will work.

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[16:04:05] <zoidberg> But thats just my yahoo non dev opnion, maybe somebody else know more.

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[16:04:43] <zoidberg> BTW with acme.sh you can use dns api and dont need any open port. Thats why i prefer it.
[16:04:57] <vahrein> yes, port 80, 443 and all jabberd ports are open for normal functionality, thanks, I’ll keep an eye on it, if so then that’s really good
[16:06:03] <vahrein> yes, port 80, and all jabberd ports are open for normal functionality, thanks, I’ll keep an eye on it, if so then that’s really good. 443 port no open

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[16:27:37] <stratself> > I just want to understand whether it will automatically renew and how reliable it is, this matters to me
if you're using the internal ACME server and configure a route from 80 --> 5280, then it should be automatically renewable

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[16:30:33] <stratself> > I just want to understand whether it will automatically renew and how reliable it is, this matters to me
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[16:31:45] <stratself> > zoidberg: Yes, everything lasted, the certificates were all renewed. I just don’t understand the redirect; there’s no need to use it anymore, right?
You'll need to continually expose :80 in order to renew certs. Thats how the HTTP-01 challenge in Let's Encrypt work I believe

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[16:33:53] <vahrein> stratself: redirected?

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[16:35:40] <vahrein> stratself: redirected? But how come today on 2 servers I didn’t use a redirect and all the certificates were updated?)

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[16:36:18] <vahrein> stratself: redirect? But how come today on 2 servers I didn’t use a redirect and all the certificates were updated?)

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[16:36:46] <stratself> However, I'm not sure if the "reroute 80 to 5280" recommendation in the docs holds true in all circumstances, as there are some ways to run ejabberd as nonroot and expose port 80 directly within it

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[16:38:12] <stratself> > stratself: redirect? But how come today on 2 servers I didn’t use a redirect and all the certificates were updated?)
Can you still access the http://yourxmppdomain.com:80/.well-known/acme-challenge path? If you can then I think the redirection is still enabled

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[16:38:49] <vahrein> ejabberdctl request-certificate all please check this by turning on acme

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[16:42:02] <stratself> sorry, i really cant tweak my setup right now as it involves too much

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[16:42:31] <Licaon_Kter> If one does not use acme in ejabberd it's not an easy ask.

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[16:42:50] <Licaon_Kter> Open an issue vahrein so that devs can test.
[16:43:08] <Licaon_Kter> Open an issue with all the details vahrein so that devs can test.

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[16:43:35] <stratself> but I do believe either you still got a redirection on, or that ejabberd doesnt renew anything so far
[16:44:55] <vahrein> Let's leave this message here, maybe someone who has acme enabled will try to do this . updates because a letter has arrived from clouflare that the certificates have been updated

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[16:46:54] <stratself> if you can, maybe check the cert content and all that to see if it matches with the certs on your machine. If not I'm afraid you have bigger problems
[16:47:15] <stratself> if you can, maybe check the cert content and details to see if it matches with the certs on your machine. If not I'm afraid you have bigger problems
[16:47:23] <vahrein> > Open an issue with all the details vahrein so that devs can test. ok, I still have a couple of tasks that require attention, I’ll open them in githab

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[16:48:53] <vahrein> > if you can, maybe check the cert content and details to see if it matches with the certs on your machine. If not I'm afraid you have bigger problems
verified, certificates match and are correct
[16:49:30] <stratself> for reference
- http-01 challenge link: https://letsencrypt.org/docs/challenge-types/#http-01-challenge
- documentation: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/basic/#setting-up-acme
[16:49:35] <stratself> >> if you can, maybe check the cert content and details to see if it matches with the certs on your machine. If not I'm afraid you have bigger problems
> verified, certificates match and are correct
🤔

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[16:51:52] <edu4rdshl> I personally setup a certbot autorenewal for my register provider (using the `python3-certbot-dns-cloudflare` package and then a hook to reload ejabberd on cert renewal

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[17:02:35] <mm> > Here are the DNS records I have after removing the AAAA one, just in case I'm missing something https://i.ibb.co/7dBzsjSP/image.png
Do you have a TLS part in listeners section for s2s connections? In Ejabberd documentation as I remember that part is missing.

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[17:03:00] <mm> > Here are the DNS records I have after removing the AAAA one, just in case I'm missing something https://i.ibb.co/7dBzsjSP/image.png
Do you have a TLS part in listeners section for s2s connections? In Ejabberd sample documentation as I remember that part is missing.

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[17:16:12] <edu4rdshl> > Do you have a TLS part in listeners section for s2s connections? In Ejabberd sample documentation as I remember that part is missing.
https://paste.rs/NNX59 I think port 5270 is what you're talking about? mm

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[17:24:28] <stratself> >> Do you have a TLS part in listeners section for s2s connections? In Ejabberd sample documentation as I remember that part is missing.
> https://paste.rs/NNX59 I think port 5270 is what you're talking about? mm
also redo the max stanza and shaper for that port too
[17:25:23] <stratself> though that shouldnt affect how you connect to MUCs
[17:25:27] <edu4rdshl> I noticed that when pasting and did it before you asked hehe
[17:25:35] <stratself> > I noticed that when pasting and did it before you asked hehe
😁

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[17:26:28] <edu4rdshl> At this point I think there's definitely something wrong with my server, it isn't normal that I can't connect to two of the most known servers lol
[17:26:45] <edu4rdshl> I just have no idea what that could be, and there's zero info on logs
[17:27:59] <FbIN (VB)> Exact same issue I am facing for more than a month
[17:28:30] <FbIN (VB)> Does not work with few servers, works with few.

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[17:28:51] <edu4rdshl> Are you on ejabberd 25.10.0 too?
[17:28:55] <FbIN (VB)> Yup
[17:29:10] <edu4rdshl> I wonder if downgrading ejabber would make a difference
[17:29:49] <FbIN (VB)> Maybe. Did not try tbvh. Got so fed up debugging, and trying, that gave up ultimately.

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[17:30:14] <FbIN (VB)> Team and others here did try and help, but nothing worked.

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[17:31:18] <stratself> not sure if any of those servers do IP blocks

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[17:31:36] <stratself> (if they do it should be on the firewall level, not xmpp however)
[17:32:03] <stratself> and i don't think your IP has any bad reputation tbh

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[17:34:31] <edu4rdshl> > Team and others here did try and help, but nothing worked.
That sucks

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[17:36:32] <edu4rdshl> I could try spinning a 25.08.7 server for testing pointing to a new database tho

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[17:37:14] <FbIN (VB)> Randomly worked for some servers and stopped working for the same which was working earlier. Then started working for the ones not working earlier and keeps changing. Example this chat. I could not join 2 months back, then one day I could, then one day I could not. It keeps rotating. Lols. May sound odd, but that is the god's whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Sorry for the last sentence, but it was like that, and very odd to explain too.
[17:37:49] <FbIN (VB)> > I could try spinning a 25.08.7 server for testing pointing to a new database tho
Lemme know. Mine is a prod server, so difficult to switch.
[17:38:17] <edu4rdshl> > Randomly worked for some servers and stopped working for the same which was working earlier. Then started working for the ones not working earlier and keeps changing. Example this chat. I could not join 2 months back, then one day I could, then one day I could not. It keeps rotating. Lols. May sound odd, but that is the god's whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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> Sorry for the last sentence, but it was like that, and very odd to explain too.
Similar things are happening here... I just had a small trouble to connect here
[17:38:27] <edu4rdshl> When I was previouslyt connected lol
[17:38:31] <edu4rdshl> When I was previously connected lol
[17:38:54] <FbIN (VB)> Exactly. I recall your nice dp and hence started to add my comments just now.

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[17:49:42] <stratself> i chalked it up to bad internet, but seeing others here having a similar problem is definitely something 🤔

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[17:58:03] <edu4rdshl> Same issue on 25.08

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[20:23:42] <mm> try to add this part to your config:
#Strong settings for s2s connections
s2s_use_starttls: required
s2s_ciphers: "ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SH
A256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256"
[20:23:56] <mm> I

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[20:24:46] <mm> I'm thinking there is problem in tls versions with your server and opponent servers

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[20:25:23] <mm> and maybe try to disable direct tls and leave only 5269 port:

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[20:25:40] <mm> and maybe try to disable direct tls and leave only s2s 5269 port:

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[20:38:32] <edu4rdshl> > try to add this part to your config:
> #Strong settings for s2s connections
> s2s_use_starttls: required
> s2s_ciphers: "ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SH
> A256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256"
>
>
Same issue still

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[20:43:12] <edu4rdshl> ```
2025-12-26 20:40:34.299 [info] Outbound s2s connection started: jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> conference.gajim.org
2025-12-26 20:40:35.335 [info] (tls|<0.680.0>) Accepted outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> conference.gajim.org (2001:41d0:203:1ce9:100::1)
```
But I never receive the incoming one

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[20:44:46] <edu4rdshl> When it works fine (e.g: this server):
```
2025-12-26 20:38:09.735 [info] Outbound s2s connection started: jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> process-one.net
2025-12-26 20:38:10.353 [info] (tls|<0.664.0>) Accepted outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> process-one.net (2a05:d018:5d3:7700:c3aa:5a4:91d3:1425)
2025-12-26 20:38:25.807 [info] (tls|<0.667.0>) Accepted inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication conference.process-one.net -> jabber.edu4rdshl.dev (2a05:d018:5d3:7700:c3aa:5a4:91d3:1425)
```

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[21:00:46] <edu4rdshl> Mmmm, I just did a capture of the packets between my machine and conference.siacs.eu (the conversations homeserver) and saw this:
[21:00:50] <edu4rdshl> https://jabber.edu4rdshl.dev:5443/upload/9a4151c539c28c06179c6fc7cd08194b58f93bbc/3JUU9dFqHOF1PTYQsVSM0RnhOJ64E9n9EatZnExn/e08ef117-a93e-4161-9337-13624d04d40b.png
[21:01:24] <edu4rdshl> Any idea why is it trying to contact my server on the 34020 port?

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[21:18:13] <edu4rdshl> Disabling the firewall didn't make any difference as well, I'm giving up on this

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[21:18:20] <edu4rdshl> Thanks everyone who helped!

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[21:21:01] <mm> Did you try to disable ipv6?

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[21:26:04] <edu4rdshl> I tried yesterday for a few hours, but there are XMPP servers who can work just fine over the v6 address. I will try to disable them for a long time now

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[21:27:34] <edu4rdshl> > Did you try to disable ipv6?
Question, do you mean removing the DNS records, right?
[21:27:43] <edu4rdshl> mm ^
[21:29:28] <edu4rdshl> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/listen-options/#ip interesting

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[21:31:53] <mm> Both, and DNS and server's port.

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[21:34:13] <edu4rdshl> Changed all listen options to ip: "0.0.0.0" and removed the ipv6 DNS entries for the XMPP server

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[21:36:08] <edu4rdshl> Mmm, if my VPS does have ipv6, it will still try to use ipv6 to contact other servers, should I disable ipv6 server-wide as well?

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[21:51:39] <mm> When I had a vps on hetzner, I had a problem with ipv6 routing with some servers, so maybe there is some kind of problem. By the other hand reverse direction is working, so… You can try to completely disable ipv6 and see.

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[22:48:09] <edu4rdshl> Thanks, now I disable everything related to ipv6 for the service, let's wait and see

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[22:56:27] <edu4rdshl> So far the result is the same

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