ejabberd - Saturday, December 27, 2025

[03:10:44] <FbIN (VB)> Cipher wise, DNS, firewall, removing plugins and whatnot.... I had tried everything. Nothing works. I spent around 3-4 weeks trying to debug and workaround. Nothing worked.

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[03:23:07] <stratself> > https://jabber.edu4rdshl.dev:5443/upload/9a4151c539c28c06179c6fc7cd08194b58f93bbc/3JUU9dFqHOF1PTYQsVSM0RnhOJ64E9n9EatZnExn/e08ef117-a93e-4161-9337-13624d04d40b.png
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[03:23:34] <stratself> > Thanks, now I disable everything related to ipv6 for the service, let's wait and see
i'm pretty sure ipv6 has not much to do with your issues

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[03:24:52] <stratself> lemme see the capture again if you still have it
[03:25:27] <stratself> > Cipher wise, DNS, firewall, removing plugins and whatnot.... I had tried everything. Nothing works. I spent around 3-4 weeks trying to debug and workaround. Nothing worked.
which servers can't you connect to? wanna see if there are any similarities

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[04:19:10] <FbIN (VB)> Random ones. He is facing the same issue as I faced..
> Exact same issue I am facing for more than a month
[04:19:42] <FbIN (VB)> > Randomly worked for some servers and stopped working for the same which was working earlier. Then started working for the ones not working earlier and keeps changing. Example this chat. I could not join 2 months back, then one day I could, then one day I could not. It keeps rotating. Lols. May sound odd, but that is the god's whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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> Sorry for the last sentence, but it was like that, and very odd to explain too.
Exactly like this
[04:19:47] <FbIN (VB)> stratself:

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[04:52:18] <zoidberg> > Any idea why is it trying to contact my server on the 34020 port?
Cant see your file, but isnt that the outgoing port? That one is random.

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[05:02:06] <edu4rdshl> Sorry, it's the image
[05:02:16] <edu4rdshl> https://jabber.edu4rdshl.dev:5443/upload/9a4151c539c28c06179c6fc7cd08194b58f93bbc/RrMPs1clVSuU6bhMSYKKVnFvT5TjmaEHQpiVW9fP/Screenshot_From_2025-12-26_15-59-09.png
[05:03:00] <edu4rdshl> > i'm pretty sure ipv6 has not much to do with your issues
That's what I'm feeling. I disabled ipv6 everywhere but the result is the same

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[05:04:49] <stratself> ::44 is your IP?

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[05:06:22] <stratself> nope it's theirs

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[05:06:41] <edu4rdshl> Yep

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[05:07:43] <stratself> seems like a response to a request you previously opened on 34020

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[05:09:15] <zoidberg> Server outgoing will be randon, so its random to 5269/5270
[05:09:29] <stratself> disable mod_s2s_bidi and see whats up
[05:09:46] <stratself> of course restart the app after any changes for best effect

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[05:11:16] <stratself> (it'd be funny if for some reason the software fails to connect to any `.dev` domain)

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[05:12:19] <edu4rdshl> > disable mod_s2s_bidi and see whats up
Same result haha
[05:12:42] <edu4rdshl> > (it'd be funny if for some reason the software fails to connect to any `.dev` domain)
FbIN (VB), do you have it on a .dev domain as well?
[05:12:46] <stratself> well there's always prosody xD
[05:13:30] <edu4rdshl> Eeeeh, I have been on this since Xmas, I don't have too much energy to do a new server setup XD

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[05:14:05] <edu4rdshl> Who said that setting up a XMPP server con Xmas was not fun for the whole family!

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[05:14:11] <edu4rdshl> Who said that setting up a XMPP server on Xmas was not fun for the whole family!
[05:14:36] <FbIN (VB)> >> (it'd be funny if for some reason the software fails to connect to any `.dev` domain)
> FbIN (VB), do you have it on a .dev domain as well?
Nope. However, the issues I faced were with random domains. zoidberg helped a lot, and as I said, it worked once, didn't work later and the circle went on.

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[05:25:25] <stratself> > https://jabber.edu4rdshl.dev:5443/upload/9a4151c539c28c06179c6fc7cd08194b58f93bbc/RrMPs1clVSuU6bhMSYKKVnFvT5TjmaEHQpiVW9fP/Screenshot_From_2025-12-26_15-59-09.png
at least this means the servers can see each other and talk to each other. issues should be on the higher level

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[05:26:31] <stratself> maybe you need to increase some timeout values

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[05:29:45] <stratself> also try tweaking mod_stream_management and increase all the timeouts as well as the max_ack_queue

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[05:30:26] <stratself> i think it only helps on bad network conditions and is primarily about c2s, but yeah

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[05:32:37] <edu4rdshl> I don't see anything relevant there tbh
[05:33:14] <edu4rdshl> Almost everything is for c2s as you said, and ack_timeout is 1 minute already

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[05:43:53] <FbIN (VB)> I have tried that too. Timeout it seems has nothing to do with the issue we are facing. I raised it to even 3 minutes and then 5. Still the same. C2S, S2S, IN & OUT, TCP/UDP everything. Still go on trying. I am giving inputs now as I think the software & probably nginx/Apache or maybe even FW are having some issues. Turn/Stun nothing works.
[05:44:13] <FbIN (VB)> I have tried that too. Timeout it seems has nothing to do with the issue we are facing. I raised it to even 3 minutes and then 5. Still the same. C2S, S2S, IN & OUT, TCP/UDP everything. Still go on trying. I am giving inputs now as I think the software & probably nginx/Apache or maybe even FW are having some issues. Turn/Stun also works or not. 🫣
[05:45:12] <FbIN (VB)> POSIX timeout error, server not reachable, with or without V4 or V6 or both.
DNS and FW timeout.

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[05:47:32] <stratself> interesting...
[05:48:20] <edu4rdshl> > POSIX timeout error, server not reachable, with or without V4 or V6 or both.
>
> DNS and FW timeout.
Same. The behavior from these servers is: my server sends a discover, other server reply, mine sends an outbound auth, other server reply, mine acknowledge it, and then there's not incoming connection from these servers
[05:48:38] <edu4rdshl> Exactly the same for each one of those

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[05:50:04] <FbIN (VB)> It only happens with ejabberd it seems. Not with Prosody.

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[05:53:01] <FbIN (VB)> Which is what has me stunned. Right now my servers works, but not with the servers I mentioned. If I reset (reinstall as new), it will work, but the moment I turn on few ports and extension, it stops working. I tried to debug one by one (port and extensions), could not debug. The moment I go with default env setup and as only as a new setup, everything works for a day or 2, and then even with the default setup it stops.
I did try continuously for 3-4 weeks to debug in every possible manner.

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[05:56:28] <stratself> you two both install it on bare metal?
[05:56:54] <edu4rdshl> I have it on docker

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[05:57:43] <stratself> > I have it on docker
host networking though
[05:58:54] <edu4rdshl> I moved everything to docker including the DB which was the reason for using host networking
[05:59:18] <edu4rdshl> But the problem is the same having or not host networking

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[05:59:37] <stratself> > But the problem is the same having or not host networking
😢

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[06:00:23] <edu4rdshl> https://paste.rs/g4lb0.txt it's what I have now (too lazy to migrate the folders to proper subvolumes yet)

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[06:01:52] <FbIN (VB)> > you two both install it on bare metal?
On KVM (root server).

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[06:02:12] <FbIN (VB)> > But the problem is the same having or not host networking
+1

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[06:02:44] <stratself> almost unrelated, but i did tune a few sysctl to use more memory for connections. Not sure if it may help but here goes
```
net.core.rmem_max=16777216                              Net.core.wmem_max=16777216
net.core.rmem_default=16777216                          net.core.wmem_default=16777216                          net.ipv4.tcp_rmem=4096 87380 16777216
net.ipv4.tcp_wmem=4096 87380 16777216                                                                           net.ipv4.tcp_mem=1638400 1638400 1638400
```
(i should decrease them to half tho)
[06:02:45] <FbIN (VB)> > https://paste.rs/g4lb0.txt it's what I have now (too lazy to migrate the folders to proper subvolumes yet)
Can you share the source code for this paste software? Very nice one. I use the private in, but it eats up memory.
[06:03:52] <FbIN (VB)> > almost unrelated, but i did tune a few sysctl to use more memory for connections. Not sure if it may help but here goes
>
> ```
> net.core.rmem_max=16777216                              Net.core.wmem_max=16777216
> net.core.rmem_default=16777216                          net.core.wmem_default=16777216                          net.ipv4.tcp_rmem=4096 87380 16777216
> net.ipv4.tcp_wmem=4096 87380 16777216                                                                           net.ipv4.tcp_mem=1638400 1638400 1638400
> ```
>
> (i should decrease them to half tho)
Do not recall if this was something I tried, but will check and try as well. This is in systemctl right? Kernel based.

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[06:04:08] <FbIN (VB)> >> https://paste.rs/g4lb0.txt it's what I have now (too lazy to migrate the folders to proper subvolumes yet)
> Can you share the source code for this paste software? Very nice one. I use the private in, but it eats up memory.
*privatebin
[06:04:14] <stratself-alt> yes in /etc/sysctl.conf

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[06:05:55] <FbIN (VB)> > yes in /etc/sysctl.conf
Cool. Will check and see if this was done or not.

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[06:06:14] <FbIN (VB)> & yes, decrease to half if not less

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[06:07:35] <edu4rdshl> > > https://paste.rs/g4lb0.txt it's what I have now (too lazy to migrate the folders to proper subvolumes yet)
> Can you share the source code for this paste software? Very nice one. I use the private in, but it eats up memory.
Seems to be https://github.com/mstallmo/paste.rs, however, I would recommend https://git.0x0.st/mia/0x0 if you want a paste service (better maintained)
[06:08:01] <edu4rdshl> > > yes in /etc/sysctl.conf
> Cool. Will check and see if this was done or not.
Let me know if you have any luck :p

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[06:11:55] <zoidberg> If any of you guys would be able to get logs from the servers that you cant connect, then maybe you guys could openna github issue, and present all the facts(logs from each side).
[06:12:05] <FbIN (VB)> >> Can you share the source code for this paste software? Very nice one. I use the private in, but it eats up memory.
> Seems to be https://github.com/mstallmo/paste.rs, however, I would recommend https://git.0x0.st/mia/0x0 if you want a paste service (better maintained)
Ahh. Yes 0x0. Docker. 😔 I hate docker.
Need to get a domain for shortening service.
[06:12:49] <zoidberg> Maybe try to connect to each other servers, if it fails then bingo.
[06:12:55] <FbIN (VB)> > If any of you guys would be able to get logs from the servers that you cant connect, then maybe you guys could openna github issue, and present all the facts(logs from each side).
I will retry for sure.
[06:13:34] <stratself> > If any of you guys would be able to get logs from the servers that you cant connect, then maybe you guys could openna github issue, and present all the facts(logs from each side).
i'll try setting up another server (that i cant connect to) then!!

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[06:14:21] <stratself> nah jk, but i'm also curious how the other side's logs look like
[06:15:14] <edu4rdshl> > Maybe try to connect to each other servers, if it fails then bingo.
Worked

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[06:17:11] <stratself> > https://jabber.edu4rdshl.dev:5443/upload/9a4151c539c28c06179c6fc7cd08194b58f93bbc/RrMPs1clVSuU6bhMSYKKVnFvT5TjmaEHQpiVW9fP/Screenshot_From_2025-12-26_15-59-09.png
can you test for the ipv4 equivalent of this

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[06:18:27] <FbIN (VB)> >> Maybe try to connect to each other servers, if it fails then bingo.
> Worked
Nope. Did not work.
[06:18:31] <edu4rdshl> > Worked
Nope. I can see their messages but can't send to them
[06:18:45] <edu4rdshl> ```
2025-12-27 06:16:38.445 [info] (tls|<0.851.0>) Accepted inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication chat.bakhai.co.in -> jabber.edu4rdshl.dev (::ffff:89.58.43.137)
2025-12-27 06:16:40.262 [info] Outbound s2s connection started: jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> chat.bakhai.co.in
2025-12-27 06:16:51.311 [warning] Failed to establish outbound s2s connection jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> chat.bakhai.co.in: Connection failed: network is unreachable; bouncing for 265 seconds
```
[06:18:51] <FbIN (VB)> Then off OMEMO once and try replying.
[06:18:52] <stratself> >> Worked
> Nope. I can see their messages but can't send to them
my MUC yes?
[06:18:56] <edu4rdshl> That's what I got here

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[06:18:59] <FbIN (VB)> I turned off OMEMO for a minute to send
[06:19:03] <stratself> oh nvm
[06:19:29] <FbIN (VB)> > ```
> 2025-12-27 06:16:38.445 [info] (tls|<0.851.0>) Accepted inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication chat.bakhai.co.in -> jabber.edu4rdshl.dev (::ffff:89.58.43.137)
> 2025-12-27 06:16:40.262 [info] Outbound s2s connection started: jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> chat.bakhai.co.in
> 2025-12-27 06:16:51.311 [warning] Failed to establish outbound s2s connection jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> chat.bakhai.co.in: Connection failed: network is unreachable; bouncing for 265 seconds
> ```
That is the POSIX error I get too

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[06:19:57] <edu4rdshl> I do not get that for the other servers tho
[06:20:19] <FbIN (VB)> > I do not get that for the other servers tho
I get different errors. For each different server.
[06:20:46] <edu4rdshl> I don't
[06:21:00] <FbIN (VB)> > I do not get that for the other servers tho
I get different errors. For each server.
[06:21:15] <FbIN (VB)> Try turn off OMEMO and try replying to me.
[06:22:16] <edu4rdshl> Already did, got "network is unreachable"
[06:22:34] <FbIN (VB)> No no. Turn off at client level and turn on blind trust
[06:22:38] <FbIN (VB)> For a minute only
[06:22:44] <FbIN (VB)> Then revert the settings

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[06:23:03] <edu4rdshl> As I said, already did that
[06:23:09] <FbIN (VB)> Ohh okay

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[06:23:20] <FbIN (VB)> I could send to you but yeah very odd.
[06:23:22] <edu4rdshl> https://jabber.edu4rdshl.dev:5443/upload/9a4151c539c28c06179c6fc7cd08194b58f93bbc/9uNAvQb1qc3LYyQG9NC5XbKND2axhjpXNCjZtgpP/d0705f51-e303-4117-b66c-f3917ef65d24.png
[06:23:55] <FbIN (VB)> Yup, the POSIX & DNS error
[06:24:28] <edu4rdshl> I can ping your server anyways
[06:24:33] <edu4rdshl> It's so weird

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[06:24:51] <edu4rdshl> ```
~~ $ ping chat.bakhai.co.in
PING chat.bakhai.co.in (89.58.43.137): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 89.58.43.137: seq=0 ttl=42 time=102.483 ms
64 bytes from 89.58.43.137: seq=1 ttl=42 time=102.559 ms
64 bytes from 89.58.43.137: seq=2 ttl=42 time=102.290 ms
64 bytes from 89.58.43.137: seq=3 ttl=42 time=102.378 ms
^C
--- chat.bakhai.co.in ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
```
[06:24:52] <FbIN (VB)> Yes, ping and curl works
[06:25:13] <zoidberg> If you guys are using default ports, then maybe just get rid of SRV records.

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[06:25:26] <FbIN (VB)> Only POSIX error where s2s_in gets this issue
[06:25:33] <zoidberg> They only help if one is running on custom ports.
[06:25:36] <FbIN (VB)> > If you guys are using default ports, then maybe just get rid of SRV records.
I do not have SRV records only cname
[06:25:54] <zoidberg> FbIN (VB): ah ok, then one less thing to go wrong then.
[06:25:56] <FbIN (VB)> & you had seen my setup, everything was fine

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[06:26:38] <edu4rdshl> > If you guys are using default ports, then maybe just get rid of SRV records.
Just did that
[06:26:47] <FbIN (VB)> > They only help if one is running on custom ports.
Even with custom ports the same issue.
[06:27:04] <zoidberg> but with custom ports you do need SRV records
[06:28:23] <edu4rdshl> > If you guys are using default ports, then maybe just get rid of SRV records.
Doesn't that break https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0368.html
[06:28:37] <FbIN (VB)> > but with custom ports you do need SRV records
I mean I had tried with custom ports as well, but now am on default ports.

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[06:29:25] <stratself> >> If you guys are using default ports, then maybe just get rid of SRV records.
> Doesn't that break https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0368.html
that XEP adds SRV to the spec, servers can run fine without it and fallback to 526
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[06:29:29] <FbIN (VB)> And with SRV records, my DNS would break. So had to get rid of that. Reverse proxy wise too.
[06:30:54] <edu4rdshl> Can you post the logs you get on your end for my server? FbIN (VB),

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[06:32:15] <stratself> one potential issue may be MTU mismatches somewhere that drops large packets like TLS, but if you bind to your default network interface I don't think that is a problem
[06:32:25] <stratself> i.e. if you can curl you can xmpp

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[06:38:57] <FbIN (VB)> > Can you post the logs you get on your end for my server? FbIN (VB),
Am not near my machine. Will do so once I am back.

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[06:39:16] <FbIN (VB)> > i.e. if you can curl you can xmpp
Exactly.

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[06:39:53] <FbIN (VB)> > one potential issue may be MTU mismatches somewhere that drops large packets like TLS, but if you bind to your default network interface I don't think that is a problem
I guess so? 🫣

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[16:40:57] <mm> I can suggest one more test to check where is a problem, in your network/TLS/OS setup or in ejabberd. Try to disable ejabberd, install Prosody or Openfire and see where is the problem! 😉

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[16:58:38] <edu4rdshl> > I can suggest one more test to check where is a problem, in your network/TLS/OS setup or in ejabberd. Try to disable ejabberd, install Prosody or Openfire and see where is the problem! 😉
That does mean investing the time to setup and enable a new whole server tho :p

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[16:59:59] <edu4rdshl> Checking which module provides each XEP is kinda tedious
[17:00:32] <edu4rdshl> If you have some compose file ready to run then I will give a try :p
[17:00:54] zoidberg Making a list of the traitors
[17:02:03] <zoidberg> but seriously, trying other servers to find out what is going on with ejabberd does not compute.

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[17:05:08] <zoidberg> You guys should try to open a github issue, show relevant configs, and logs from each side.

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[17:21:57] <FbIN (VB)> I will be free tomorrow evening my time. I will raise the github issue with logs.

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