ejabberd - Friday, January 2, 2026

[12:40:38] <zoidberg> while trying to setup ejabberd as the mqtt broker for owntracks i am getting this on my logs, everytime the client tries to publish the location: ```SQL query 'Q51315498' at {:mod_mqtt_sql, {74, 9}} failed: "Out of range value for column 'expiry' at row 1"```

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[12:43:22] <prefiks> zoidberg: what db is that?

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[12:44:41] <zoidberg> My ejabberd db is maria, but on mod mqtt i didnt specify anyone (so i think maria?)
[12:45:01] <zoidberg> My ejabberd db is maria, but on mod mqtt i didnt specify any (so i think maria?)
[12:45:04] <prefiks> if you have just mysql setup then yes

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[12:53:28] <prefiks> would you be able to check schema for table mqtt_pub and see what type expiry column has? iirc 'describe mqtt_pub;' will show that
[12:53:46] <prefiks> it should be unsigned int or maybe bigint

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[13:01:40] <zoidberg> sent a pm to you, in case you have any ideas on how to fix let me know, i also tried contact with the owntrack guys. last case scenario i just abandon the project or try to use a mosquito as broker.

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[13:30:00] <zoidberg> prefiks found the solution which was `ALTER TABLE mqtt_pub MODIFY expiry BIGINT;`

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[13:30:59] <zoidberg> and now owntrack is working nicely with ejabberd. awesome. Thx prefiks

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[14:26:07] <beeswax> I'm a little confused about the subdomains / JIDs that ejabberd uses. It seems that the modules MUC, http_upload, proxy65 all create their own subdomain (conference., upload., proxy.). I'm using caddy as a reverse proxy in front of my ejabberd instance and use only a single http_listener on 5280. Ejabberd complains that it doesn't have certificates for those subdomains. AFAIU it shouldn't need those since the reverse proxy terminates those subdomains. Can I simply ignore those cert warnings?

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[14:26:51] <prefiks> if you use external tls termination, then you can ignore those

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[14:28:20] <prefiks> be aware that if you want to have s2s (aka external servers taling to your one), then it will use different ports, and in that case you may need certs for those domain available to ejabberd
[14:28:59] <prefiks> s2s usually uses port 5269

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[14:30:39] <beeswax> I do have the cert for the subdomain xmpp.domain.tld listed in the config file, I was just wondering about the warnings. Interestingly, openssl s_client -connect xmpp.domain.tld:5269 yields a cert error...

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[14:32:01] <prefiks> those certs are needed because when external server want to for example send message to myroom@conference.server.com, it will try to connect to host conference.server.com and expect cert for conference.server.com

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[14:32:52] <prefiks> so in general you would need cert for each service that you think can be accessed externally
[14:33:21] <beeswax> I see, so it would be best to have all of those certs available to ejabberd as well, so it can serve them on 5269 etc
[14:33:29] <prefiks> yep

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[15:31:33] <debacle> On one of my ejabberd instances, I get *a lot* of `erl_crash_*.dump` files. E.g. yesterday more than 4000. The contents of the files, 1.3 MB each, is not intuitively interpretable by me, to say the least. `error.log` is empty, `ejabberd.log` shows mainly s2s connects and disconnects. Looks harmless to me. Any idea, how to find out, why my ejabberd is behaving that way? Or, better, how to fix it?
[15:32:50] <prefiks> debacle: could you send/publish that file somewhere?
[15:33:19] <prefiks> possiblt something is trying to call ejabberdctl and failing to do that?

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[15:33:29] <prefiks> some kind of cron job?

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[15:35:06] <edu4rdshl> > those certs are needed because when external server want to for example send message to myroom@conference.server.com, it will try to connect to host conference.server.com and expect cert for conference.server.com
Wildcard certs work for it, no? I have jabber.edu4rdshl.dev and *.jabber.edu4rdshl.dev
[15:35:38] <prefiks> yes, wildcards can work too

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[15:36:25] <debacle> prefiks That's possible. There is a half-automated bot for account creation. While I don't believe, that we had more than 4000 new users yesterday, it's possible, that this thing tries 4000 times sth. it shouldn't try. I'll check that!

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[15:38:33] <prefiks> crash dump are generated only when erl process crashes so if ejabberd is working then something else must be crashing, pretty much only erl program that could it be is ejabberdctl

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[15:39:13] <prefiks> could be maybe also some driver subprocess started by ejabberd, but i think you should see something in logs in that case
[15:39:36] <debacle> prefiks, I see, sounds reasonable!

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[15:40:41] <prefiks> checks also syslog, maybe it logs that crash too and you will be able to get process name from it

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[15:43:05] <debacle> I just now got a private message: HOME is not set, and ejabberdctl needs it. Will find out, who calls it, set HOME, and then be happy.
[15:43:30] <prefiks> also could you check that crash dump, at start there should be line staring with Slogan:, could show what it's in it

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[15:44:59] <Holger> Sorry 🙂 But I'll split the bill with prefiks.

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[15:47:13] <Holger> (We'll just double the bill amount.)

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[15:49:19] <debacle> Holger, prefiks, I guess, that the policy mandates, that always two people have to work on the same bug for work safety reasons.

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[16:00:07] <edu4rdshl> Holger, since you're here, do you know if it's possible to check why my server can't federate with siacs.eu? That's the only server it can't federate with, and I don't have any error on my server logs. If I remember correctly, you manage that server.
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2026-01-02 15:58:34.558 [info] Outbound s2s connection started: jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> conference.siacs.eu
2026-01-02 15:58:36.379 [info] (tls|<0.6270.0>) Accepted outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication jabber.edu4rdshl.dev -> conference.siacs.eu (89.238.76.44)
```
That's all I see, it's only missing the inbound s2s connection. I can actually send messages to conversations.im users, but users there can't contact me (because I never receive the inbound connection)
[16:00:34] <edu4rdshl> So I want to know if it's that maybe my IP got hit by some firewall/ban or something. Thanks

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[16:24:32] <Holger> edu4rdshl, no firewall/ban, no. A bit too off-topic in here I guess.
[16:25:02] <mm> >> those certs are needed because when external server want to for example send message to myroom@conference.server.com, it will try to connect to host conference.server.com and expect cert for conference.server.com
> Wildcard certs work for it, no? I have jabber.edu4rdshl.dev and *.jabber.edu4rdshl.dev
👍

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[16:29:49] <debacle> prefiks, Holger, Ha. I had hoped our "new account" thingy were responsible for calling `ejabberdctl`. But it's creating new accounts by calling admin ad-hoc commands over XMPP. The real cause was monitoring. `env.HOME` was not set in a munin script. Now it's set and there are no new crashes. It's obvious, that nobody ever looked at the monitoring. Maybe I can remove it altogether and nobody will complain.
[16:29:56] <debacle> Thanks for solving this!

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[16:33:22] <Holger> 👍

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[16:39:12] <debacle> Holger, prefiks, Now I can start to work on the *real* problem, i.e. ejabberd does not accept any incoming c2s. My weekend will not be boring.

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[16:40:10] <Holger> Does the client get back an actual error message?
[16:40:20] <Holger> And/or do you see attempts in your ejabberd.log?

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[16:40:51] <Holger> Does `xmpp-dns -t $domain` look green?

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[16:54:07] <edu4rdshl> > Holger, prefiks, Now I can start to work on the *real* problem, i.e. ejabberd does not accept any incoming c2s. My weekend will not be boring.
Do you mind to paste your configuration file?
[16:54:33] <edu4rdshl> And I recommend doing a compliance test as well using https://codeberg.org/iNPUTmice/caas

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[16:57:52] <Holger> edu4rdshl: BTW I see you offer s2s only via direct TLS, no STARTTLS. If that works with all remote servers you're interested in, that's entirely fine, but I guess there's still some fraction of servers that don't support direct TLS yet.
[16:58:22] <Kris> the problem with Caas is that is uses an 5+ years unmaintained java xmpp library that has no concept of many of the more recent requirements

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[16:59:54] <edu4rdshl> > edu4rdshl: BTW I see you offer s2s only via direct TLS, no STARTTLS. If that works with all remote servers you're interested in, that's entirely fine, but I guess there's still some fraction of servers that don't support direct TLS yet.
Mmmm, I accept starttls as well as Direct TLS
[17:00:14] <edu4rdshl> https://jabber.edu4rdshl.dev:5443/upload/9a4151c539c28c06179c6fc7cd08194b58f93bbc/Z3HasTD19Othbs2B24aNEaW3hlNd7BISK8wx7E79/91a0314f-47fe-4291-a9a2-c8ab4cfb8e05.png

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[17:01:11] <edu4rdshl> I offer both, with `s2s_use_starttls: required`, which now makes me think: should it be optional since I'm supporting Direct TLS as well?

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[17:03:22] <zoidberg> i dont think that setting will affect Direct TLS connection, should be fine.
[17:03:23] <Holger> edu4rdshl: Ah right, I had only checked DNS SRV records, you don't have one for STARTTLS but 5269 works just fine. Sorry for the false alarm.

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[17:04:12] <Holger> edu4rdshl: And yes the setting is fine. The naming is a bit confusing here because that option predates direct TLS.
[17:04:13] <edu4rdshl> > edu4rdshl: Ah right, I had only checked DNS SRV records, you don't have one for STARTTLS but 5269 works just fine. Sorry for the false alarm.
I was recommended by zoidberg to remove DNS entries for STARTTLS if I'm using the default ports :P

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[17:04:45] <stratself> Holger: do you know how that connect.xmpp.net page works for multiple SRVs? does it just take the first one and attempt connection
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[17:04:55] <Holger> edu4rdshl: Yes yes, that's fine. I just didn't check.
[17:05:19] <Holger> Actually `xmpp-dns -t` didn't check. Maybe should do that.

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[17:05:51] <Holger> stratself: No idea.

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[17:07:02] <stratself> thanks. One thing i can confirm is that it doesnt send ALPNs, so multiplexing the port would mark it as failed

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[17:10:45] <stratself> > I offer both, with `s2s_use_starttls: required`, which now makes me think: should it be optional since I'm supporting Direct TLS as well?
i've asked this months ago and hol.ger said that variable is actually for both dtls and stls
[17:12:51] <stratself> wait sorry he actually answered you too i'm just being redundant 😅

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[17:39:27] edu4rdshl is so happy that everything is working perfectly now

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[17:40:03] <zoidberg> what was the problem?

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[17:44:57] <edu4rdshl> I used the https://account.conversations.im/domain/ service before and the conversations.im server still thought that I was using it, so it tried to contact the old servers :)
[17:45:23] <edu4rdshl> So hol.ger help me to delete that data and everything just worked then

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[17:48:53] <stratself> oh that's a case i didn't expect, glad it's fixed
[17:49:10] <stratself> perhaps other servers cache your old destinations too

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[17:52:17] <edu4rdshl> A new thing we learned haha

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[20:28:42] <edu4rdshl> Cam I use the https://repository-images.githubusercontent.com/507610/6b3f4580-98fc-11e9-9b10-7b0745c99a2b image for a post preview without any problem?
[20:28:46] <edu4rdshl> Can I use the https://repository-images.githubusercontent.com/507610/6b3f4580-98fc-11e9-9b10-7b0745c99a2b image for a post preview without any problem?

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[20:31:56] <Holger> > perhaps other servers cache your old destinations too
Other servers will be fine once the DNS records expired (happened long ago). The case was special because the domain in question was configured locally on our server, so our server didn't even attempt to look up the domain in DNS.

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[20:49:44] <Holger> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ejabberd_icon.png

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[20:50:50] <Holger> edu4rdshl: Seems this one has been CC-public-domained. Dunno about that other one.

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[21:09:08] <edu4rdshl> Thanks, it seems to be just a "screenshot" of the https://www.ejabberd.im/ header

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[21:09:32] <edu4rdshl> So I assume that's not CC

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[21:13:50] <debacle> > Does `xmpp-dns -t $domain` look green?
Yes, I get 12 times OK.

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[21:17:08] <debacle> > Does the client get back an actual error message?
It looks to me, as if ALPN were broken, but worse, "flaky" broken. The same slixmpp script could send a message one time, but a little bit later it gets an HTTP response instead of XMPP. Will check the frontend nginx now.

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[21:18:55] <debacle> Btw. maybe ALPN for separating HTTP and XMPP on port 443 is not the best thing to do right now, because not all clients do support it. E.g. Movim does not.

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