ejabberd - Sunday, January 4, 2026

[01:00:28] <mm> > and if you have other sites you can't even use turn on 443
or you must run caddy or haprocy or somethink similar to do ALPN and SNI for xmpp-client xmpp-server and turn traffic.

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[04:35:12] <stratself> I just wanna note that ALPN wont work if the client doesnt send it

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[04:40:19] <stratself> can 2 ejabberd instances use the same TURN server? Is there any implementation issues with it?
[04:40:34] <stratself> can 2 unrelated ejabberd instances use the same TURN server? Is there any implementation issues with it?

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[04:43:34] <meson> > And recently I heard about the opposite: Some on-plane WiFi that seems to want to allow WhatsApp or something, but _not_ web browsing. So they block 443.
Yeah, they allow 5222 to pass

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[07:01:58] <mm> > can 2 unrelated ejabberd instances use the same TURN server? Is there any implementation issues with it?
I have the same question. How independent turn server got authorization from ejabberd?

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[08:19:55] <stratself> looking at mod_stun_disco and eturnal it seems possible as long as you define a shared `secret` in both
https://eturnal.net/doc/#secret
[08:20:22] <stratself> looking at mod_stun_disco and eturnal it seems possible as long as you define a shared `secret` in both
https://eturnal.net/doc/#secret
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_stun_disco

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[13:58:31] <PseikoHeiko> Hello y’all, happy new year!
Quick question:
I’m running my own private ejabberd server for myself and friends/family. Currently it has about 15 active users but in the future this number will probably increase, maybe up to a low three-digit number. At the moment, I’m still using the internal Mnesia database but I’d like to migrate to a SQL-type backend (running on the same host).
Here is the question: Which database implementation would you recommend – mySQL, SQLite or PostgreSQL? I’m not very experienced with the setup of such RDBMSs but I guess I could get along with either of these options. I just want a replacement for Mnesia. It does not need all fancy bells and whistles since I’ll not tinker around very much with it; I’m happy if it »just works«. Good performance would be a plus, but good documentation is also important. So which one would you recommend?

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[13:59:44] <Kris> Postgres
[13:59:59] <PseikoHeiko> > Postgres
Thanks. Why?
[14:00:35] <Holger> Yes PostgreSQL, or MariaDB. Both should work equally well with ejabberd.

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[14:01:24] <PseikoHeiko> OK. Are there situations in which SQLite or MySQL would be a better option? What does that depend on?
[14:01:31] <Holger> SQLite will work as well but isn't really designed for significant concurrent write access. Hence one of the 'proper' ones.

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[14:02:38] <Holger> PseikoHeiko: MySQL is just as fine. When I said 'MariaDB' I meant 'MariaDB or MySQL'.

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[14:03:10] <Holger> (They're the same thing as far as ejabberd is concerned.)

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[14:04:15] <PseikoHeiko> OK, sounds like you’re saying SQLite is supported but not ideal. Got it. And are there any relevant differences between MySQL/MariaDB and PostgreSQL for this application?

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[14:08:26] <Holger> Yes SQLite is fully supported and offers easy setup, but technically it's a bit sub-optimal, at least for scaling to many online users.
MySQL vs. PostgreSQL can be discussed to death, but with ejabberd, you usually won't notice a difference in practice. Geeks tend to prefer PostgreSQL due to the cleaner SQL implementation, but that's not really relevant from an admin perspective.
[14:09:12] <PseikoHeiko> OK, understand. Thank you very much!

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[14:10:07] <Holger> If you'd plan to end up with a clustered SQL setup it would make a difference given the difference clustering solutions.
[14:10:22] <Holger> If you'd plan to end up with a clustered SQL setup it would make a difference given the different clustering solutions.
[14:10:35] <PseikoHeiko> »clustered« meaning multiple nodes in a cluster?

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[14:10:57] <Holger> Yes, multiple MySQL/PostgreSQL nodes.
[14:12:53] <PseikoHeiko> Well, _maybe_ in the future I’d like to set up a second VPS with a second ejabberd node and put the two ejabberd nodes in a cluster, just for better availability. Is that what you mean?

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[14:14:18] <Holger> No I mean the case where you decide to do the same thing with the SQL storage.

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[14:14:54] <raver> > Well, _maybe_ in the future I’d like to set up a second VPS with a second ejabberd node and put the two ejabberd nodes in a cluster, just for better availability. Is that what you mean?
I once had that, but isn't database clustering a different topic where mySQL has it on board while PostgreSQL Had hasn't (but commercial solution exist) IIRC ?
[14:15:14] <raver> > Well, _maybe_ in the future I’d like to set up a second VPS with a second ejabberd node and put the two ejabberd nodes in a cluster, just for better availability. Is that what you mean?
I once had that, but isn't database clustering a different topic where mySQL has it on board while PostgreSQL hasn't (but commercial solution exist) IIRC ?
[14:15:14] <Holger> The two ejabberd nodes could use a single SQL instance but then a downtime of that SQL instance would take both ejabberd nodes down.

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[14:15:23] <raver> Of cause

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[14:15:57] <Holger> raver: PostgreSQL has native clustering support now.
[14:16:07] <raver> Cool didn't know that

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[14:16:21] <raver> Master/master or only master/slave ?
[14:16:28] <Holger> I think there's several solutions for MySQL, I only have personal experience with Galera.
[14:16:36] <Holger> I always mean master/master.
[14:16:43] <raver> Cool

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[14:17:07] <raver> I never got in a situation where I really need that, but I like to try things out 😁
[14:18:00] <Holger> I have some customers doing that, but the good thing is they're usually large enough to have dedicated SQL people, so my experience is very limited as well 😃

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[14:18:34] <Holger> If something doesn't work the solution is to shout "hey SQL guy, please fix it".
[14:19:19] <PseikoHeiko> OK, so if my goal (in the future) were redundancy / better availability for my ejabberd service, how would I typically implement that? Two VPSs, each with an ejabberd node and its own SQL backend?

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[14:19:55] <PseikoHeiko> (And both ejabberd nodes in a cluster)
[14:20:43] <Holger> Something like that, but when it comes to the details of SQL clustering, you gotta ask someone else 🙂
[14:21:16] <Holger> Just mentioned it to clarify that this is a scenario where the choice of PostgreSQL vs. My/Maria might end up making a difference after all.
[14:21:49] <Holger> Both support clustering, but the details are quite different.

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[14:23:17] <Holger> And my usual disclaimer is that the added complexity always has the potential of eliminating the availability advantage.
[14:23:32] <PseikoHeiko> OK, so this means the native »clustering« function which is e. g. visible in the ejabberd WebAdmin would not automatically just »connect« two ejabberd nodes so that each of them works with its own SQL backend?
[14:23:51] <PseikoHeiko> > And my usual disclaimer is that the added complexity always has the potential of eliminating the availability advantage.
Interesting. Thanks for that.

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[14:26:06] <Holger> > OK, so this means the native »clustering« function which is e. g. visible in the ejabberd WebAdmin would not automatically just »connect« two ejabberd nodes so that each of them works with its own SQL backend?
No. It does that for Mnesia, but I wouldn't recommend going that route. (1) because I'd recommend against Mnesia anyway, and (2) because recovering Mnesia from netsplits/crashes really requires some Mnesia knowledge.
SQL requires you to set up the cluster yourself and then possibly point to different SQL nodes in the `ejabberd.yml` files of your different ejabberd nodes.
[14:26:46] <Holger> Then again, netsplit recovery is something you'd want to consider here as well. And that's where I'm missing personal experience.

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[14:28:42] <Holger> I.e. the problem is: As long as everything works well, clustering allows for rebooting a node without service downtime. The problem I see is the scenario where things don't go well, I can imagine those situations leading to downtimes you wouldn't have had with a single-node setup in the first place. If you don't know what you're doing.

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[14:29:52] <Holger> And XMPP just copes relatively well with reboot downtimes. Users who don't happen to send a message during the reboot usually won't notice at all.
[14:30:14] <PseikoHeiko> OK, I understand. Sounds like I should rather not bother for now. 😀 Then I’ll just happily take your advice regarding choice of SQL variant and that’s it.
[14:30:28] <PseikoHeiko> > And XMPP just copes relatively well with reboot downtimes. Users who don't happen to send a message during the reboot usually won't notice at all.
Yeah, that’s my experience as well.
[14:30:49] <PseikoHeiko> OK, so thank you again for your extensive and sound answers!
[14:31:06] <Holger> But of course I don't want to undermine ejabberd's colorful marketing brochures!

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[14:34:10] <PseikoHeiko> 😄 No, I’m just not enough of an »ejabberd power user« to really appreciate all the great features of ejabberd. That’s totally on me.

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[14:34:25] <PseikoHeiko> 😄 No, I’m just not enough of an »ejabberd power user« to really appreciate all the great specialty features of ejabberd. That’s totally on me.

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[17:54:23] <16180339887> > Can someone here kindly check https://www.edu4rdshl.dev/posts/setting-up-an-ejabberd-xmpp-server-with-video-calls-and-multimedia-support/ and see if I haven't written something terribly wrong? :p
tried the ports and settings you propose forejabberd.yml and docker-compose
ejabbered manages to create a turn allocation but can't relay the packets it seems
[17:55:36] <16180339887> > Can someone here kindly check https://www.edu4rdshl.dev/posts/setting-up-an-ejabberd-xmpp-server-with-video-calls-and-multimedia-support/ and see if I haven't written something terribly wrong? :p
tried the ports and settings you propose for ejabberd.yml and docker-compose.yaml
i additionally put srv records for stun and turn for the ejabberd domain
ejabberd manages to create a turn allocation but can't relay the packets it seems

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[18:22:24] <Holger> How do you verify that?

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[18:22:55] <Holger> Conversations now has an option to enforce TURN usage, if you're using that client you could try it.
[18:23:30] <Holger> The UDP port range is accessible on the configured turn_ipv4_address?

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[18:26:25] <edu4rdshl> Yep, sounds like some kind of firewall problem

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[18:39:03] <16180339887> > The UDP port range is accessible on the configured turn_ipv4_address?
i opened and forwarded udp port range

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[18:40:39] <16180339887> > How do you verify that?
i just realized, i should verify with clients on different ip adresses
[18:40:56] <16180339887> > How do you verify that?
i just realized, i should verify with clients on different networks

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[19:43:15] <Maïke> i noticed someone mentioned caddy to use turn tls on 443 with other traffic. but caddy isn't that great at all, nginx is a lot easier to configure

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[21:32:08] <Walter> > Yep, sounds like some kind of firewall problem
❤️

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