ejabberd - Thursday, January 29, 2026

[00:06:38] <StepForward> > I talked about my client code earlier.
> Here is a sneak peak (before we announce it more widely) of what we have been working on: https://github.com/processone/fluux-messenger
Nice logo.

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[00:11:33] <moparisthebest> thanks for releasing it under the best possible license as well <3

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[00:20:49] <kapad> i'm trying to:
- `ejabberdctl expire_invite_tokens <user> <vhost>` | to set an invite `expired`
- `ejabberdctl cleanup_expired_invite_tokens` | to clean expired invitations
but
- `ejabberdctl list_invites <vhost>` | is always show the `user@vhost` ...
[00:21:23] <kapad> isnt my logic right, am i using this commands they way they designed to ?
[00:22:05] <kapad> here is my full shell command:
```
ejabberdctl list_invites ua.local3|awk '{print $7}'|grep '@'|while read -r jid;do u=`echo $jid|cut -d\@ -f1`; h=`echo $jid|cut -d\@ -f2`; echo -n "$jid :"; ejabberdctl expire_invite_tokens $u $h;done; ejabberdctl cleanup_expired_invite_tokens
```
[00:22:52] <StepForward> > Here is it: https://www.process-one.net/blog/introducing-fluux-messenger-a-modern-xmpp-client-born-from-a-holiday-coding-session/
Suggestions for features:
1) New line for new messages differentiation
2) When uploading files - random names to keep naming privacy
3) OMEMO2 for post-quantum glory

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[01:01:03] <kapad> also this: https://ua3.anondns.net/im/p/c3c295/7e27/ejabberdctl-expire_invite_tokens-expiration-date-dont-change.png

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[03:10:48] <benk> so I am investigating further if there's anything I can find out about people in my private chat randomly missing messages sent to the chat room by other users

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[03:11:45] <benk> so here is one confirmed case: someone sends a message to the chat at around 6:34, and the "user" who doesn't ever receive the message has this show up in the server log:
[03:11:47] <benk> https://pastebin.com/gm9YNcp7
[03:13:05] <benk> seems like the user resumes their session right before the message was sent
[03:14:45] <benk> hmm ok that may not be relevant; other users also didn't get the message

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[03:21:33] <benk> ok nevermind... this one was silent. I might have to increase the log level

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[03:27:16] <zoidberg> Do you have MAM?
[03:27:48] <benk> >Cannot resume session for user@kwiecien.us: Previous session timed out
perhaps this; the person who lost the message connected a couple minutes after it was sent and this error was shown while they were connecting, so maybe ejabberd thought it was delivered but the client didn't get it?
[03:27:55] <benk> yes MAM is enabled
[03:29:09] <benk> it's an old room; afaik it's been properly configured for years, but we only just started noticing this after upgrading to 26.01 on FreeBSD. Gajim seems unaffected; all the missing messages seem to be happening with Conversations, which also has recently been updated but the guys over in the Conversations chat really don't believe Conversations is the culprit
[03:29:26] <benk> I'll have to see if I can repeat this with Gajim
[03:29:39] <zoidberg> can i ask you how big was your jump?
[03:30:27] <zoidberg> I mean, in the before times, that feature that update database scheme didnt exist.
[03:30:59] <benk> between versions?
[03:31:12] <zoidberg> So if you had like a really old ejabberd, and just jumped to the newest one, then maybe there are database issues?
[03:31:15] <benk> I always had the latest of whatever is in the FreeBSD packaged repo, so I think I went from 25.10 or something to 26.01
[03:31:30] <benk> database issue is possible it's been the same mnesia database for several years
[03:31:50] <benk> I could go nuclear and reconfigure the server from scratch (it wouldn't be that difficult)
[03:32:47] <zoidberg> i think that might be your issue(non expert here). But its generally advisable to use a proper Database.
[03:33:10] <zoidberg> Postgre or Maria

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[03:36:02] <zoidberg> And then enable that feature that i forgot then name
[03:36:27] <zoidberg> And you will probably have no issues anymore.

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[06:00:34] <benk> can I use sqlite

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[06:00:54] <benk> if mnesia is so bad why default

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[06:03:07] <StepForward> > StepForward wrote:
> Suggestions for features:
> 1) New line for new messages differentiation
> 2) When uploading files - random names to keep naming privacy
> 3) OMEMO2 for post-quantum glory
There is already the 'new line' here :)

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[06:57:03] <zoidberg> > can I use sqlite
sqlite is recommended by H olger. So i guess that must be good.

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[06:57:50] <zeank> idag 01:21:
> isnt my logic right, am i using this commands they way they designed to ?
kapad, `expire_invite_tokens` expires tokens that have been generated by the given user@host. What you’re trying to do is to expire a token that has been *used* to *register* the account „aaaa@ua.local3“.
First, you can not expire tokens that have been generated using `ejabberdctl`, second your token has already been used (valid flag is `false`, `invitee` is already set), so there would be little reason to expire it.

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[07:16:07] <rom1dep> to be honest, fluux messenger is already pretty damn impressive
[07:16:41] <rom1dep> even something mundane as the console looks like it got some attention and polish
[07:17:58] <rom1dep> I wonder if and which LLM(s) got involved, if any

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[07:20:10] <rom1dep> (and if so, that would still make for a better and more successful story than the recent cloudflare+matrix debacle)

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[07:21:32] <rom1dep> (Ref https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46781516)

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[07:25:46] <zoidberg> The LLM is a tool, how well the work gets will still depend on the human behind it.

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[07:53:06] <rom1dep> That's not an argument I'm making, in a way of another

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[12:36:43] <svp> > I wonder if and which LLM(s) got involved, if any
by the wording of it i think it wasnt used directly in the project but it assisted in getting familiar with the stack

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[12:59:02] <Mickaël> Yes, I put a lot of my XMPP knowledge in that client and use the AI to get help understand the React stack

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[13:43:01] <rom1dep> Mickaël: good job there 👍

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[14:39:22] <Maïke> >> Here is it: https://www.process-one.net/blog/introducing-fluux-messenger-a-modern-xmpp-client-born-from-a-holiday-coding-session/
> Suggestions for features:
> 1) New line for new messages differentiation
> 2) When uploading files - random names to keep naming privacy
> 3) OMEMO2 for post-quantum glory
if they do post quantum glory, do it with x448 1024 or sntrup 1228
[14:40:04] <Maïke> someone rudely pointed out in another group to Daniel bernsteins blog where daniel says that sn 1228 is more secure than mlkem 1024 and is faster

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[15:30:11] <zeank> I think, I developed a good idea why this hasn't been implemented so far: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/4512 - please if someone would review, test, comment, that would be much appreciated!

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[15:52:43] <Kris> > I think, I developed a good idea why this hasn't been implemented so far: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/4512 - please if someone would review, test, comment, that would be much appreciated!
😂

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[15:56:42] <zeank> 🤷‍♂️ - just glad, I didn't throw my laptop against the wall! 😛

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[15:57:33] <debacle> ANFSCD, but zeank reminded me of a slightly ugly thing in `pg.sql` and `mysql.sql`. Columns `creation` and `modification` are timestamps, right? But they are `varchar(32)` instead of `TIMESTAMP`. Maybe this should be changed and migrated? *In theory* it should be more performant.

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[16:11:25] <Moncho> > I talked about my client code earlier.
> Here is a sneak peak (before we announce it more widely) of what we have been working on: https://github.com/processone/fluux-messenger
❤️

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[16:23:22] <zeank> debacle, that's probably because there was a bug in the sql abstraction layer that only got fixed with mod_invites (thanks to prefiks) - so yeah, probably we could migrate things now.

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[16:28:42] <moparisthebest> be careful with that, some shockingly recent TIMESTAMP impls are only 32 bit and can't represent times past 2038
I tend to just store timestamp as 64bit integer which works on all databases

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[16:36:46] <zeank> The problem is that as someone operating on the DB level directly, these integers are pretty much useless most of the time (of course that depends)

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[16:41:17] <moparisthebest> in the database they seem mostly only used for comparisons (records before or after this date) which works fine

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[16:41:43] <moparisthebest> can't even do that with varchar...

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[18:08:56] <debacle> > ANFSCD, but zeank reminded me of a slightly ugly thing in `pg.sql` and `mysql.sql`. Columns `creation` and `modification` are timestamps, right? But they are `varchar(32)` instead of `TIMESTAMP`. Maybe this should be changed and migrated? *In theory* it should be more performant.
Btw. for those who wonder, I was talking of the `pubsub_item` table.

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[18:34:00] <kapad> zeank: Thank you for the explanation. i was trying to clean the db from entries that used just for testing

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[18:35:59] <kapad> on the other hand, if you try to `expire` a invitation never used, an exception is raised, since in the filed of the `jid` is only the `user` part and that seems to break things

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[18:36:13] <kapad> on the other hand, if you try to `expire` an invitation never used, an exception is raised, since in the filed of the `jid` is only the `user` part and that seems to break things

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[18:36:32] <kapad> on the other hand, if you try to `expire` an invitation never used, an exception is raised, since in the field of the `jid` is only the `user` part and that seems to break things
[18:38:21] <zeank> Can you show me?
[18:38:34] <kapad> yes, just a momment

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[18:49:55] <kapad> zeank: it was my error, while i was trying to enumerate the invites in the db and take the host part from the `jid` part, so what i actually executed was that: `ejabberdctl expire_invite_tokens abc ""` that produce the exception
```
Unhandled exception occurred executing the command:
** exception error: {module_not_loaded,mod_invites,<<>>}
in function gen_mod:get_module_opts/2 (src/gen_mod.erl:476)
....
```

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[18:50:48] <zeank> Hm. That could be handled more gracefully.

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[18:51:39] <kapad> yes `none` or not existed host treated ok, but `empty` cause this

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[18:53:35] <kapad> also, test what you said, not seems the date change at all:
```
< rwLgUlEhjvTVOkSNV0a4wFgB true 2026-01-29T18:38:44Z 2026-02-03T18:38:44Z account_only ua.local3 abc
> ejabberdctl expire_invite_tokens abc ua.local3
< rwLgUlEhjvTVOkSNV0a4wFgB true 2026-01-29T18:38:44Z 2026-02-03T18:38:44Z account_only ua.local3 abc
```

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[18:58:36] <kapad> ^ but ok, as said: First, you can not expire tokens that have been generated using `ejabberdctl`, ...

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[19:04:31] <kapad> last, i finished `my` register_success.html page we talk yesterday, plus 2 `webchat welcome` pages ( one php that can handle POST and receive full creds, and one simple html that hangles GET ), but i'm not sure what is nice way so to share them here...

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[19:04:58] <kapad> last, i finished `my` register_success.html page we talk yesterday, plus 2 `webchat welcome` pages ( one php that can handle POST and receive full creds, and one simple html that handles GET ), but i'm not sure what is nice way so to share them here...

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[19:08:28] <zeank> A blog post? (Wasn’t meant to be „for here“ only)

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[19:11:14] <kapad> i dont really have one, maybe to use git ?

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[19:13:57] <zeank> Sure

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[19:46:08] <kapad> ok, i'll try later, nighttime is more `silence` for me...
- https://ua3.anondns.net/im/p/c3c295/xmpp-mod-invites/the-register-success-page.jpg
- https://ua3.anondns.net/im/p/c3c295/xmpp-mod-invites/the-2-webchat-welcome-versions.jpg

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