ejabberd - Friday, January 30, 2026

[08:04:44] <debacle> > debacle, that's probably because there was a bug in the sql abstraction layer that only got fixed with mod_invites (thanks to prefiks) - so yeah, probably we could migrate things now.
That would be good. We use `pubsub_item` *a lot* for our IoT stuff and any optimization will be a gain for us.

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[08:05:55] <Mickaël> @Holger This is the commit I was talking about yesterday: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/3758128e83a53e8e2f7c28a1d64deb7582bd7bd4

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[08:09:02] <debacle> > be careful with that, some shockingly recent TIMESTAMP impls are only 32 bit and can't represent times past 2038
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> I tend to just store timestamp as 64bit integer which works on all databases
Are you sure about that? From my very limited knowledge, it is y2038-safe, but not y294276-safe.

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[08:31:57] <zeank> kapad, no more crashes: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/4515/changes/75b3d1a38868d842c48bed7ca62b31d971af8921

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[08:32:58] <zeank> debacle, I'd think this would mostly be an improvement in usability than performance. But would do I know...

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[08:49:31] <Holger> Mickaël, prefiks: I *think* that's about explicit subscriptions only, so it won't help with +notify?
[08:50:43] <Mickaël> Ah right maybe :/

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[08:54:05] <prefiks> yes, this path is triggered for explicit subsciptions

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[08:55:39] <prefiks> is there issue with +notify too? this should be checked when we receive presence, and if we know caps for that user it should work for remote users i believe
[08:56:55] <Holger> prefiks, I think the issue is that we store the info in the c2s state. So if I send +notify I'll only receive items from you if you have a c2s session.
[08:58:14] <Holger> *My* idea would be to throw all that PEP-specific code away and let +notify create a normal subscription (und presence-unavailable remove it). The only special-casing I'd do is to store those +notify subscriptions in a RAM DB.
[08:58:22] <zeank> debacle, I'd think this would mostly be an improvement in usability than performance. But what do I know...

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[08:59:59] <Holger> I think right now we effectively store my subscription in your c2s state, and if you're online with two clients, it's duplicated?
[09:00:02] <prefiks> ah, yes i believe this is handled in hook managed from c2s process - so if there is not session it's not processed
[09:00:09] <Holger> Right.

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[09:00:42] <Holger> Probably made sense 20 years ago when PEP was used for 'tune' and 'mood', but doesn't play well with today's use cases (avatar, OMEMO, and whatnot).

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[10:12:55] <debacle> > debacle, I'd think this would mostly be an improvement in usability than performance. But what do I know...
Yeah, maybe it's not a performance boost. Theoretically, TIMESTAMP (= int64) should be slightly faster than varchar32, though.

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[10:16:09] <Holger> Wasn't it a *vast* performance boost for (your) huge numbers of PubSub items?
[10:16:37] <Holger> Or maybe this isn't about what I'm thinking? Missed the start of your discussion.

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[10:19:31] <debacle> > Wasn't it a *vast* performance boost for (your) huge numbers of PubSub items?
We tested with both MariaDB and PostgreSQL long time ago, and IIRC, it was a huge difference with the former, but not that much with the latter.

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[11:24:39] <Romain> Hello. What is the recommended database for ejabberd. Is it default one?

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[11:31:19] <Kris> postgres
[11:31:46] <Kris> the default one "mnesia" is actually being discuraged more and more

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[11:32:15] <Kris> but mariadb is fine too, and apparently people are thingking about makeing sqlite the default one

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[11:32:49] <Kris> the default one isn't necessarily only about being the best, but also about ease of deployment for beginners

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[11:33:53] <Romain> I have already postgres running for movim, so I don't mind using it. Thanks.

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[12:07:15] <rom1dep> > the default one "mnesia" is actually being discuraged more and more
Wasn't MAM the clear reason for discouraging mnesia? I wonder what's suboptimal with having everything in mnesia but MAM.

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[12:08:49] <Holger> PubSub is problematic as well.

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[12:09:24] <Holger> The rest will usually be okay in practice but what's the advantage?

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[12:18:48] <rom1dep> I don't know, it seemed that mnesia could prescribe whether to store to disk or RAM, and that could be lost on a full SQL set-up?
[12:20:58] <zeank> sql is used only where mnesia would store to disk, but then there's also redis for those who just can't stand mnesia's guts

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[12:28:19] <zeank> maybe we should switch to https://github.com/klarna/mnesia_eleveldb for mod_man? :p

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[12:29:11] <debacle> > sql is used only where mnesia would store to disk, but then there's also redis for those who just can't stand mnesia's guts
I didn't know, that redis is a thing for ejabberd. In which situation is it useful? Can you recommend any online resource on how to deploy it for ejabberd?

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[12:30:21] <Romain> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/database/#redis
[12:30:35] <Holger> You can seperately configure which backend to use for persistent storage, and which one to use for in-memory DB. For backend storage it would be SQL or Mnesia, for memory DB it would be Mnesia or Redis (or SQL).

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[12:31:24] <Holger> Mnesia is perfectly fine as a memory DB, I think Redis (or SQL) are mostly interesting to people who have a fancy Redis setup and want to do introspection using that or whatnot.
[12:31:49] <Holger> For persistent storage I think "just use SQL" is the sane answer.

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[12:32:46] <Holger> zeank, "LevelDB has a history of database corruption bugs. A study from 2014 has found that, on non-checksummed file systems, the database could become corrupted after a crash or power failure" (Wikipedia)? 🙂
[12:32:56] <Holger> But I think someone on the Internet said that things improved.

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[12:34:04] <zeank> Yeah, well, I wasn't so serious. But if avoiding data corruption is a thing, then why do we have mysql? That's the only way I ever lost data for real. And not just once.
[12:34:50] <Holger> Arent that stories from the dark old ages?

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[12:35:23] <Holger> But no idea, never ran into data loss with My/Maria myself, but I'm not an SQL guy at all.
[12:35:33] <zeank> Well I can't pin point it now but last time it happened was less than five years ago, I'm quite certain.

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[12:35:53] <zeank> InnoDB

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[12:36:11] <zeank> I'm not a professional either ... so ...

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[12:38:33] <zeank> Another nifty extension to mnesia for massive scalability: https://github.com/emqx/mria - has it ever been considered?

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[12:39:36] <Holger> zeank: For persistent storage you'd still need a disc-only backend, no?
[12:39:55] <Holger> I think Dets is unusable for our use cases.

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[12:40:14] <Holger> *a proper backend.
[12:40:14] <zeank> Yeah, it would be interesting for large mucs or such
[12:40:23] <Holger> Ah yes.

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[12:40:33] <zeank> Or just large clusters in general

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[12:48:52] <rom1dep> > You can seperately configure which backend to use for persistent storage, and which one to use for in-memory DB. For backend storage it would be SQL or Mnesia, for memory DB it would be Mnesia or Redis (or SQL).
I see, that would be `default_db` and `default_ram_db`, I was only aware of the former
[12:48:58] <Holger> Right.

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[12:50:14] <rom1dep> are we at a point with automatic db migrations that just setting the value for `default_db` would do the right thing of moving everything out of mnesia and into sql?

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[12:52:28] <Holger> No you'd have to press the knobs for that yourself. There's now automatic migration during ejabberd upgrades but not between different backends.

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[12:55:46] <rom1dep> I suppose that would be a matter of exporting everything using the new serialization abilities of 26.01 (https://www.process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-26-01/#database),
taking out what's already in sql with a text editor
updating the value of `default_db=sql`
running `ejabberdctl import_db` on that?

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[12:56:44] <Romain> The process is described here: https://docs.ejabberd.im/tutorials/mysql/#migrating-data-from-internal-to-mysql
[12:58:09] <Holger> There's `ejabberdctl export_db example.com /var/lib/ejabberd/dump.sql` now (if you'd like to avoid the debug shell).
[12:58:10] <Romain> No tested yet, though.
[12:58:42] <Romain> Ah perfect, thanks. I missed that one.
[12:59:26] <Romain> But still need to block the ports during the process. Correct?

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[13:00:22] <rom1dep> which seems like what I was describing :)
[13:01:44] <Romain> Yes, it did not get it. Sorry.

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[13:04:25] <rom1dep> > Yes, it did not get it. Sorry.
no sorry, was just making sure. Merci :-)

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[13:06:40] <Romain> Yes, I did not get it. Sorry.

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[13:53:23] <moparisthebest> >> be careful with that, some shockingly recent TIMESTAMP impls are only 32 bit and can't represent times past 2038
>>
>> I tend to just store timestamp as 64bit integer which works on all databases
> Are you sure about that? From my very limited knowledge, it is y2038-safe, but not y294276-safe.
debacle: yup, 32 bit until 11.5 https://mariadb.com/docs/server/reference/data-types/date-and-time-data-types/timestamp#less-than-11.5

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[15:39:28] <raver> Hi,
If I added domains to the `hosts` in ejabberd.yml which are now removed, how can I make sure that there's no data garbage for this domains in the PostgreSQL DB for the domains?

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[16:20:45] <moparisthebest> I went through the flow https://cla.process-one.net/ a couple days ago but have no email yet, any way to check up on that?
no hurry just want to make sure my email isn't at fault :)

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[16:21:45] <zeank> raver, if you’re using the multihost schema, I’m afraid you’d have to go through all the tables and delete all rows with a matching server_host column. Otherwise each vhost has their own database and you’d just delete that as a whole.

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[16:31:45] <raver> zeank: I'm using the multi host scheme of cause🤪. So I'll go through the tables with some SQL statements. Thank you 🙂

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[16:32:46] <raver> zeank: I'll notify you if I find any data for whatsapp.rimkus.it or signal.
Please report it you still get presence notifications afterwards
[16:33:04] <raver> zeank: I'll notify you if I find any data for whatsapp.rimkus.it or signal.
Please report if you still get presence notifications afterwards

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[16:33:32] <zeank> Thanks! Tried to find something but their website seems to be down at the moment.
[16:33:53] <raver> zeank: it's up again, it was until today noon
[16:34:08] <zeank> Oh ok! Good to know! :)

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[20:48:15] <Moncho> So I'd I want to move from mnesia to postgresql I can update my server to 26.01 and follow the new commands and I would be good to go?

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