ejabberd - Monday, June 22, 2026

[03:56:11] <zoidberg> IDK you backup procedure, but i just to some database backups without restarting.
[03:56:23] <zoidberg> IDK you backup procedure, but i just do some database backups without restarting.

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[05:56:37] <blue> Huh, checked on it, wrote it some time ago. No, I also do not restart it on backup - it just dumps the database with the server on.
Then my restarts are weekly - have another backup on pve level, that one runs weekly and that one surely stops it

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[08:00:10] <Kris> > I do nightly backups, It restarts every night
That would explain it.

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[08:00:54] <Kris> Ah, no I definitly get discinnected more often than weekly.
[08:01:56] <Kris> Ah, no I definitly get disconnected more often than weekly.

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[09:19:23] <nigel> > Huh, checked on it, wrote it some time ago. No, I also do not restart it on backup - it just dumps the database with the server on.
> Then my restarts are weekly - have another backup on pve level, that one runs weekly and that one surely stops it
Proxmox Backup Server? Mine runs without stopping... wonder if it would restore 😆 🤔

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[13:49:47] <ffunk> Hi everybody, perhaps I'm facing something similar. I'm getting rather randomly disconnected from foreign MUCs. Reconnecting my client (Conv) fixes this. Another painful problem is that my server randomly disconnects from push servers too (Monal in this case) which could be probably related. Log says nothing before dropping connection but it is rather hard to dig deeper. This can be solved only by ejabberd restart. Could these be caused by unstable connection? s2s timeout settings? Or is there any workaround to keep some of s2s connections always alive? I'm running selfhosted ejabberd, latest from PPA, with default s2s config. Thanks!

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[13:59:07] <Licaon_Kter> ffunk: won't the s2s to/from push server be recreated as needed?

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[14:01:02] <ffunk> Licaon_Kter: Well that's what I would expect to happen but it actaully isn't...

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[14:08:12] <Licaon_Kter> How did you test?

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[14:19:52] <ffunk> Well I didn't find a way to test it reliably. Randomly after some time when s2s with push server is idle (have few users only...) messages are not delivered to Monal client. Log shows nothing related at that moment. Restarting ejabberd forces reconnection and message gets delivered instantly...

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[14:36:52] <Holger> ffunk: Yes might be a silently dying TCP connection (i.e. your server's TCP stack didn't notice it dies, yet). You could `ejabberdctl set-loglevel debug` temporarily, in that case a push notification timeout would be logged.

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[14:37:13] <Holger> We should probably make that an [info] or [warning] message. No idea what I smoked.

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[14:41:13] <ffunk> Holger: Thank you, will investigate further... Is there a way to forcibly reconnect particular/any s2s e.g. by a script?

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[14:42:13] <Holger> There's `ejabberdctl stop_s2s_connections` to kill all connections, they'll reconnect on-demand.

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[14:42:33] <Holger> Picking an individual one would require a little escript.

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[14:43:43] <Holger> A small `s2s_timeout` might somewhat work around the issue; if dying TCP connections is the issue.
[14:44:03] <Holger> But XMPP-s2s just is no fun with a flaky connection.

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[14:44:52] <Holger> We should finally implement XEP-0198 for s2s to handle that scenario better. But I'd still prefer a stable connection :-)

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[14:45:13] <prefiks> i am working on stream managemnt for s2s

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[14:48:06] <ffunk> > We should finally implement XEP-0198 for s2s to handle that scenario better. But I'd still prefer a stable connection :-)
Me too. 😂 Randomnes is the biggest culprit of any debugging...

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[14:49:10] <ffunk> > A small `s2s_timeout` might somewhat work around the issue; if dying TCP connections is the issue.
Yes, this is what came on my mind. What timeout would you suggest?
Thanks!

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[14:50:48] <Holger> No idea, first step would probably be to verify whether that's actually the issue.

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[14:52:10] <Holger> ffunk: If you'd like to avoid the full debug output flood, maybe this would be good enough:
log_modules_fully:
- mod_push
[14:52:21] <Holger> Should give you that timeout message.

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[14:58:11] <ffunk> Holger: Thanks!

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[15:11:31] <Kris> > We should finally implement XEP-0198 for s2s to handle that scenario better. But I'd still prefer a stable connection :-)
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[15:11:34] <Kris> > i am working on stream managemnt for s2s
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[15:17:54] <Holger> prefiks:
> i am working on stream managemnt for s2s
What's your idea on how to handle unacknowledged outgoing messages? Queue them for a while?

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[15:19:02] <prefiks> yes, keep them in quue, trigger reconnect and resend on new connection

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[15:20:12] <prefiks> will add limit how many times we will try that, and then returns errors to original sender if this will not success
[15:20:34] <Holger> Cool.

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[15:30:11] <zeank> No more lost messages, Holger! 🥳🤪
[15:30:42] <Holger> That's what they tell me since I'm using this XMPP thing.
[15:30:46] <Kris> 🥳
[15:30:51] <zeank> 😭

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[15:31:04] <Kris> > yes, keep them in quue, trigger reconnect and resend on new connection
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[20:02:04] <divya> > i am working on stream managemnt for s2s
Good to know this is being worked upon

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[21:24:51] <nico> quick question if mod_scram_upgrade is to be enabled , what happens if a user has clients that do not all support the same hashing algorithm ?
so for example one client requires a sha1 hash. But the user also has a modern client that support sha512?
Updates the new client the hashing to sha512 resulting in the old client now being locked out ?

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[22:57:50] <zoidberg> nico: i think that ejabberd keeps saved all versions(but the password had to be in plain first IIRC) its like it reads the Plain password and convert into all your selected hashes.

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[23:00:37] <zoidberg> so no, AFAIK there is no conversion from sha1 to sha512

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[23:01:36] <zoidberg> If the password was saved in plain in the database, then it creates both sha1 and sha512.

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