ejabberd - Thursday, September 10, 2026

[10:46:17] <Demo> my ejabberd instance is doing the ACME certificate renewal instead of using an external tool. today it's reporting "ISRG Root X1 is expired". with ejabberdctl i only see list_certificates and revoke, OS has been updated. any tips to resolve?

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[10:48:53] <zoidberg> Disable it on the listener?
[10:49:23] <Demo> well i'd like to continue using a cert from LE and having ejabberd update it automatically. i just don't see any hooks to manage it
[10:49:35] <zoidberg> Ah you mean you want to use the acme retrieval via the ejabberd acme client?
[10:49:47] <Demo> yes. it's been setup and working for years quite well
[10:49:55] <Demo> nearly zero maint compared to certbot and other solutions
[10:49:58] <zoidberg> 443 and 80 open?

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[10:50:37] <Demo> it's been renewing fine. today it's reporting that the cert cannot be renewed, and that the ISRG root x1 cert is expired. that's not in the OS cert pkg, it's in /var/ejabberd/.../acme/

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[10:52:38] <Demo> ok, looking at the acme live spool dir, it has an old cert and a newer one. i think that error is from the old. i'll remove that and restart again.
[10:52:52] <Demo> what i was looking for was a command to tell ejabberd to trigger the acme renewal

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[10:55:22] <Demo> hrm, looks like it has a few days left.
[10:56:05] <Demo> perhaps it was a false alarm, and logging an error about an old cert. but i'd still like to be able to tell it to renew to test that it's working. instead of waiting for the cert to expire.

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[11:52:43] <Demo> while i'm here, anyone ever migrated from sqlite to postgres? i have had weird errors every few months with sql timeouts, so i stop ejabberd, use sqlite3 to open the db and run vacuum, and restart. then it all works again. i suspect postgres would act better, but i want to keep the data.

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[15:15:58] <karme> what does that boolean in the third column of "ejabberdctl list-certificates" mean?

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[18:07:11] <ksa> Can anyone please help me with this error?
Error: error
Error: num_invites_exceeded

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[18:07:40] <ksa> I'm trying to generate create account invites and get this error message
[18:07:54] <ksa> Freaking Gemini is of no help.

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[18:13:59] <moparisthebest> I would say your number of invites has been exceeded

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[18:14:44] <ksa> I need to generate more invites, how do i increase the limit?

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[18:21:15] <moparisthebest> I'd start by looking at that config for things that look like limits?

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[18:31:21] <zeank> If you’re an admin user there’s no limit

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[18:32:41] <zeank> Ksa, Or maybe first question, how do you create invites?

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[18:33:16] <ksa> > If you’re an admin user there’s no limit
I am an admin but I dunno how that error is showing up

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[18:33:47] <ksa> > Ksa, Or maybe first question, how do you create invites?
using the cmd ejabberdctl generate_invite domain

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[18:37:40] <zeank> Interesting *scratch my head*

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[18:38:52] <ksa> Also, I'm generating through the vps terminal, ig no user is involved if I do it this way. The invites shouldn't be linked to a user.

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[18:40:05] <zeank> Yeah so either your config is weird in an unexpected way or you’ve found an actual bug. Would you mind posting your ejabberd.yml somewhere and share it with us?
[18:40:42] <zeank> Do you have a rough idea how many invites you’ve generated already?

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[18:44:38] <zeank> There’s a config option `max_invites` which is set to `infinity` by default. But with the last version I’ve added another safety measure that makes sure that it this value is set someone can not circumvent this protection by just creating new accounts and keep creating invites from there. Maybe there’s a but. The command you’re using should never be affected.

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[18:46:09] <zeank> Unless you explicitly made this command to be executed as an non-admin user. (Not sure if that’s even possible)

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[18:47:58] <karansuman.one> > Do you have a rough idea how many invites you’ve generated already?
About 500

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[18:48:32] <karansuman.one> > Yeah so either your config is weird in an unexpected way or you’ve found an actual bug. Would you mind posting your ejabberd.yml somewhere and share it with us?
yea, gimme a min

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[18:50:58] <zeank> You could free up “space” by doing `ejabberdctl cleanup_expired_invite_tokens`

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[18:51:27] <zeank> This will delete those that are expired (obviously)

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[19:01:52] <zeank> Yeah, there’s probably a bug. Could it be you’ve created 1.000 invites already? There’s a hard coded limit and it seems I’m not excluding invites that are created by ejabberdctl or by an admin when running those checks. 😅🫣
[19:02:35] <zeank> Or at least it’s not obvious where I’d be doing this … (not at my computer right now)

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[19:05:03] <ksa> > Yeah, there’s probably a bug. Could it be you’ve created 1.000 invites already? There’s a hard coded limit and it seems I’m not excluding invites that are created by ejabberdctl or by an admin when running those checks. 😅🫣
Yeah i used opencode and it tells me the same thing

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[19:05:56] <ksa> Opencode tells me that during the ttl if you reach 1000 (claimed or unclaimed) tokens, you can't generate more.
[19:06:17] <zeank> What’s opencode?

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[19:06:25] <ksa> It's the rate which is limited, not the number of invites generated
[19:06:47] <zeank> Nah. It’s not the rate.

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[19:06:58] <ksa> > What’s opencode?
Aren't you a developer? Just curious cuz you don't know about this AI tool.
[19:07:11] <zeank> It’s the number of tokens within a given “invite tree”.

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[19:07:36] <ksa> > It’s the number of tokens within a given “invite tree”.
huh? excuse me 🤣

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[19:07:50] <zeank> I don’t use AI. And I’m the one who wrote this part of the system.

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[19:08:24] <ksa> > I don’t use AI. And I’m the one who wrote this part of the system.
Obviously, not everyone is as gifted as you

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[19:09:50] <zeank> Yeah so the invite tree is when you allow your users to invite others themselves there needs to be a protection to not circumvent limits. Otherwise it would always be unlimited because someone could just use their own invite to create more and more invites. So there’s a tree of “who invited whom” and the size of this tree is limited to 1.000 at the moment.
[19:10:01] <ksa> > Yeah, there’s probably a bug. Could it be you’ve created 1.000 invites already? There’s a hard coded limit and it seems I’m not excluding invites that are created by ejabberdctl or by an admin when running those checks. 😅🫣
Look, I generate 200 invites per day and purge them from my db at the end of the day. With the default ttl of 5 days combined with never running cleanup_expired_invite_tokens, i got the error
Error: error
Error: num_invites_exceeded

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[19:10:26] <zeank> How do you purge them?

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[19:10:51] <ksa> Just clean my own db table where I store invites to server on my landing page

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[19:11:01] <ksa> Just clean my own db table where I store invites to serve on my landing page

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[19:11:20] <ksa> through a script
[19:11:29] <zeank> Is this the db ejabberd is using as well or a separate one?

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[19:12:15] <ksa> separate one

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[19:12:35] <ksa> Wait, if I find a fix I'll report here

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[19:13:27] <zeank> Then you’re not purging the actual tokens.

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[19:13:56] <ksa> > Then you’re not purging the actual tokens.
yeah, that can be done using cleanup_expired_invite_tokens, right?

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[19:14:03] <zeank> Yes
[19:14:23] <ksa> wow thx, i'll see how to implement ts in my script

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[19:15:08] <zeank> Did you compile ejabberd yourself or did you install a binary build?

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[19:17:07] <ksa> i use 26.03 ver currently and installed it via https://repo.process-one.net/
[19:17:20] <zeank> Ok

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[19:17:29] <ksa> thx zeank, for your help

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[19:17:33] <zeank> Sure

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[19:19:52] <zeank> You could try installing the latest version (26.7) - the bug might have been fixed already. But I’m not sure tbh. Will need to test first. Will do tomorrow.

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[19:22:16] <zeank> The latest version has support for invites in the web-admin interface. There you could easily see all invites and run commands from there. It also comes with a page to create invites via web. And has lots of improvements for the landing page in terms of usability.

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[19:24:49] <ksa> > You could try installing the latest version (26.7) - the bug might have been fixed already. But I’m not sure tbh. Will need to test first. Will do tomorrow.
I'll see about upgrading later when I'm sure I have backup of all the dbs Ejabberd uses

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[19:26:11] <ksa> > The latest version has support for invites in the web-admin interface. There you could easily see all invites and run commands from there. It also comes with a page to create invites via web. And has lots of improvements for the landing page in terms of usability.
I've heard, that is so cool! can't wait to try it. I'll be upgrading later tho, hopefully nothing breaks.

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[19:30:36] <moparisthebest> famous last words 😂

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[19:46:54] <ksa> It could be the end of AvesDrop server as we know it 🫠

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[19:49:20] <ksa> zeank, I gotta say inviting other people over is one feature I like the best. It's so effortless. Even a 40 yo boomer I invited through instagram chat navigated without any problems.

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[19:50:19] <ksa> I'm sure he hasn't even run a browser on his phone in 5 years. Just uses YT & Meta apps

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[19:52:32] <ksa> Is Fluux Messenger on Winget?
[19:52:36] <zeank> Hm. Interesting. One problem I keep seeing with people I invited so far is that half of them end up creating accounts on the wrong server. Ie they create an account on conversations.im or yax.im. Has that not happened with people you have invited?

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[19:53:45] <ksa> > Hm. Interesting. One problem I keep seeing with people I invited so far is that half of them end up creating accounts on the wrong server. Ie they create an account on conversations.im or yax.im. Has that not happened with people you have invited?
It has before I setup my landing page. It has only 2 steps.
1. Download Snikket
2. Click 'Get Started'
Then Snikket guides them through.
[19:54:10] <ksa> would you like to see my site?

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[19:54:54] <zeank> Ah. So you’re not using the included landing page?

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[19:55:50] <zeank> But yes, show me!

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[19:56:06] <Greatsword> > Hm. Interesting. One problem I keep seeing with people I invited so far is that half of them end up creating accounts on the wrong server. Ie they create an account on conversations.im or yax.im. Has that not happened with people you have invited?
I've noticed that when you tap the Conversations button for the invite page, it brings you to Conversations, but then when you try to register, it fails
then I studied the actual XML being sent by conversations and its not even using the invite token, just attempting to register normally, which obviously fails on a private server 🫠

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[19:57:11] <ksa> > Ah. So you’re not using the included landing page?
No, well... see for yourself: https://avesdrop.com
[19:57:22] <Greatsword> I'm not sure if it still does this but ever since that, I just do the thing where you type your desired username and password in the site itself

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[19:59:51] <zeank> Hmmm. So far I’m only aware of problems with yaxim. Need to test Conversations again.
In my experience people don’t get back to the landing page where they’d have to press the button at “Step 2” but instead they just launch the app after installation and proceed with the default registration.
There should be a default link into the app with the token but that doesn’t seem to work either.

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[20:03:07] <zeank> Maybe we should just recommend snikket too …

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[20:31:48] <ksa> > Hmmm. So far I’m only aware of problems with yaxim. Need to test Conversations again.
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> In my experience people don’t get back to the landing page where they’d have to press the button at “Step 2” but instead they just launch the app after installation and proceed with the default registration.
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> There should be a default link into the app with the token but that doesn’t seem to work either.
Proceeding with default registration is not possible in Snikket, it requires you to have a preexisting account. So they ask me what to do after installing the app. I say go to landing page and click 'Get Started'. Then Snikket takes over. But most people do the 2 steps.

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[20:36:53] <ksa> Also, I'm glad to say the AI didn't figure out my problem. I'm going to purposely misguide it so it gives wrong information about Ejabberd to other people 🤭

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[20:39:08] <zeank> That’s not how it works but keep the spirit 😅

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[20:50:49] <ksa> info about Ejabberd's innards are literally non-existent online. Even a slightly complicated problem's solution doesn't show up on Google. Both opencode and gemini gave me wrong solutions. Now, if I misguide them they'll learn about this topic from me. Then in the future, if someone ask them about my exact problem, boom wrong solution. Vibe coders and shitty companies that only use ai gonna be in trouble then.

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[20:51:38] <ksa> info about Ejabberd's innards are literally non-existent online. Even a slightly complicated problem's solution doesn't show up on Google. Both opencode and gemini gave me wrong solutions. Now, if I misguide them they'll learn about this topic from me. Then in the future, if someone asks them about my exact problem, *BOOM* wrong solution. Vibe coders and shitty companies that only use ai gonna be in trouble then.

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